UPS Retire MD-11s

MikeD said:
Which fleet was the last Flight Engineers at your shop, DC-10, or 727?
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At UPS it was the 747. Rarely known fact was UPS actually agreed to pay for PFE's flight training to qualify for the right seat as the F/E position wound down. Some did. Some didn't. But those that did were very senior as they retained their initial hire seniority number. Another crazy thing that happened was the age 60 rule only applied to front seats. Some guys downgraded to F/E to retain their number after age 60 and when age 65 happened they upgraded back to the Capt seat their seniorty number could hold. Crazy times. They were affectionately called "retreads".
 
DE727UPS said:
At UPS it was the 747. Rarely known fact was UPS actually agreed to pay for PFE's flight training to qualify for the right seat as the F/E position wound down. Some did. Some didn't. But those that did were very senior as they retained their initial hire seniority number. Another crazy thing that happened was the age 60 rule only applied to front seats. Some guys downgraded to F/E to retain their number after age 60 and when age 65 happened they upgraded back to the Capt seat their seniorty number could hold. Crazy times. They were affectionately called "retreads".
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Good times. I seem to remember the FE written was a hiring requirement up to 2010 or so…
 
DE727UPS said:
At UPS it was the 747. Rarely known fact was UPS actually agreed to pay for PFE's flight training to qualify for the right seat as the F/E position wound down. Some did. Some didn't. But those that did were very senior as they retained their initial hire seniority number. Another crazy thing that happened was the age 60 rule only applied to front seats. Some guys downgraded to F/E to retain their number after age 60 and when age 65 happened they upgraded back to the Capt seat their seniorty number could hold. Crazy times. They were affectionately called "retreads".
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The front to back to front age 60 shuffle happened here too.
 
ahw01 said:
Good times. I seem to remember the FE written was a hiring requirement up to 2010 or so…
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I actually had my full F/E rating bought with a season of fish spotting proceeds off the coast of Catalina. I think UPS gave me a lot of credit for having the F/E rating thinking I couldn't possibly fail out of the 727 F/E training. Other than my F/E ticket, I was hardly impressive with my 300 hours PIC turbine in a Convair and no jet time.
 
DE727UPS said:
I actually had my full F/E rating bought with a season of fish spotting proceeds off the coast of Catalina. I think UPS gave me a lot of credit for having the F/E rating thinking I couldn't possibly fail out of the 727 F/E training. Other than my F/E ticket, I was hardly impressive with my 300 hours PIC turbine in a Convair and no jet time.
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CV5800?
 
CV600/640. SMB Stage Line. America West put us out of business after they got the mail contract in 89. Probably second best thing ever to happen for my career as it forced me to try to move up. Best thing ever happened to my career was washing out of the ATC screening program in OKC.
 
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