UPS MD-11 RTO incident, Seoul

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I gotta say the BED Gulfstream crash sounded awfully like what you are describing. They got the "gust lock is on" figured out, and had they aborted right then, probably would have lived (even if overran by several feet). But to keep repeating that gust lock is on and then try and free the lock, while eating up precious runway is bad juju.
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Yeah, I agree. But like I said, it's such a narrow set of circumstances, where do you draw the line. At that point, things become very cloudy. Very double edged sword.
 
ctab5060X said:
We don't call V1 early either.

I understand we used to, but we don't now.
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I call V1 at about V1. My goal is to get it right on the money, but sometimes that little sucker (airspeed tape) is just to damn jumpy when it's gusty.

"Did someone feed this thing the pot of old coffe before we left the gate?"
 
I don't think it hurts to call it a hair early. 5 kts at that speed and momentum is going to go by extremely quickly. And sure a startle factor may be built into the V1 value at V1, but you are talking about test pilots doing these flights.
 
mshunter said:
IMO, there should be a set of circumstances, as narrow as they might be where the FO can, and should, call "ABORT-ABORT-ABORT".
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Wait. Are there 121 outfits where the FO cannot call an abort?

Jesus. There are days I miss 121 but there are days I really appreciate having co-captains.

Just gotta get some people killed then we can get that fixed. #FAA #winning
 
JeppUpdater said:
Wait. Are there 121 outfits where the FO cannot call an abort?

Jesus. There are days I miss 121 but there are days I really appreciate having co-captains.

Just gotta get some people killed then we can get that fixed. #FAA #winning
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I think there have been accidents, or at least incidents where an FO has aborted.
 
I'd be surprised if there are any 121 operators left where the FO can make the reject decision. Too many spectacular foul ups happened with too many chiefs on that critical decision in the cockpit.

In mshunter's scenario, holler out clearly "she's not flying" or something similar.
 
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