UPS MD-11 crash at SDF

Karnage said:
In fairness I sit and watch them do the same in the Jurassic Jet. Had an FO recently who’s MCP-jitsu managed to nearly get us violated and/or grossly unstable all four days. He was in disbelief I could get it to do what I wanted with so few button pushes and no frantic intervention to keep it on speed and path all the time.
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I mean I’m 1300-1400 hours into this airline thing and the imposter syndrome is just starting to fade but stories like this make me realize it was probably dumb to have that to begin with.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Less is more.

You can saturate our old FMC by giving it too many changes to the vertical path close-in and it’ll just sit there going “whelp, VNAV speed, what’re you gonna do about it” while it recalculates.

Orrrrrr you can select a mode that gives you the desired flight path. Or no modes.
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Less is indeed more, just as slower is often faster, vis a vis the pilots who try to speed through button pushes like it’s a race, not even knowing if the button(s) actually activated or not and not knowing what they may have missed because they’re speeding and didn’t reference the FMA

Flown with a few pilots who when either vectors to a final, or even maneuvering ourselves to a base/final, the autopilot doesn’t do something nav-wise that they are wanting or expecting it to. First thing they do, is go head down into the box trying to figure it out. Rather than just fly the plane, as the raw data is there already there and tuned in, and you’re looking at the approach plate. The other pilot can figure it out and fix it, until then the plane flies fine with you controlling it. And if on a visual, who cares even more, in fact, I’m surprised that the FD needles are still even on, on a visual, whether cleared or just flying it yourself at middle of nowhere airport, with the field in sight. Declutter that ADI! :)
 
MikeD said:
Less is indeed more, just as slower is often faster, vis a vis the pilots who try to speed through button pushes like it’s a race, not even knowing if the button(s) actually activated or not and not knowing what they may have missed because they’re speeding and didn’t reference the FMA

Flown with a few pilots who when either vectors to a final, or even maneuvering ourselves to a base/final, the autopilot doesn’t do something nav-wise that they are wanting or expecting it to. First thing they do, is go head down into the box trying to figure it out. Rather than just fly the plane, as the raw data is there already there and tuned in, and you’re looking at the approach plate. The other pilot can figure it out and fix it, until then the plane flies fine with you controlling it. And if on a visual, who cares even more, in fact, I’m surprised that the FD needles are still even on, on a visual, whether cleared or just flying it yourself at middle of nowhere airport, with the field in sight. Declutter that ADI! :)
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I’m big on follow it or turn it off, a holdover from the previous Airbus operator who understood that is key to preventing an undesired aircraft state.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Much of the difficulties I’ve observed people having in the bus, regardless of the level of automation, have come from 1) them not understanding what they asked the jet to do, or 2) them not understanding what the jet is attempting to tell them via the silent scream of the FMA.
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If you do the Airbus thing and read out every FMA, they aren't silent.
 
MikeD said:
Less is indeed more, just as slower is often faster, vis a vis the pilots who try to speed through button pushes like it’s a race, not even knowing if the button(s) actually activated or not and not knowing what they may have missed because they’re speeding and didn’t reference the FMA

Flown with a few pilots who when either vectors to a final, or even maneuvering ourselves to a base/final, the autopilot doesn’t do something nav-wise that they are wanting or expecting it to. First thing they do, is go head down into the box trying to figure it out. Rather than just fly the plane, as the raw data is there already there and tuned in, and you’re looking at the approach plate. The other pilot can figure it out and fix it, until then the plane flies fine with you controlling it. And if on a visual, who cares even more, in fact, I’m surprised that the FD needles are still even on, on a visual, whether cleared or just flying it yourself at middle of nowhere airport, with the field in sight. Declutter that ADI! :)
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Now you did it. You've awoken the ghost of Warren Vanderburgh!

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