UPS MD-11 crash at SDF

bLizZuE said:
This one has me messed up boys.
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Me too.

I haven't been overly emotional about an accident in my career, until this one. This one hit me hard Tuesday night and I haven't stopped thinking about it.

It's not my airline, but it IS my airplane. The MD-11 community is very small and tight-knit. I was sitting Airport Standby in MEM on Tuesday afternoon when it happened. Maybe it's hitting different now that I have a family, but I just keep thinking how it could have been me. How I could have told my wife and stepdaughter goodbye before they left for work/school and never seen them again. And my heart breaks for the crew, their families and all my brothers and sisters at Brown.

I know our System Chief Pilot (also and MD guy) has said they reached out Tuesday night and are offering any assistance they can. I know UPS's MD-11 team talks to our MD-11 team constantly.

I absolutely adore this airplane and think it's one of the best airplanes ever built. I truly hope they find out what happened and that general idiots and more importantly, Idiots In Charge don't do something drastic with the fleet!

This accident certainly isn't being helped by that recently retired AA douchebag jumping on YouTube to tell us all what happened. It's ok, NTSB. You can go home. Captain Steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve solved the case.
 
ERfly said:
This accident certainly isn't being helped by that recently retired AA douchebag jumping on YouTube to tell us all what happened. It's ok, NTSB. You can go home. Captain Steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve solved the case.
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Ugh. THAT guy.

Doesn't help that he is wrong most of the time.
 
No, I am not hinting at anything. In fact, I don't even have a FOR PROFIT YouTube channel where I can opine my WRONG opinions for money moments after people die.

And yes, I'm being EXTREMELY critical of HIS perspective, because it's wrong 99.9% of the time. He knows nothing about the MD-11 and has no idea why it crashed, yet he's making videos solely for money within moments of the accident.

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Blocked Captain Steeeeeeves YouTube channel. I was on the road and really didn’t need to see any more videos of this crash and it came up on my YouTube feed. It wasn’t even 3 hours after the accident and this tool is posting videos?! He should know better.
 
I made the mistake of watching some of the news coverage through YouTube in my hotel while it was happening and now it's been an endless stream of those fools infecting my feed for 3 days. God I hate the algorithm.
 
phill1174 said:
I was surprised to see that fleet flying later Tuesday night/Wednesday morning around the system. I’m sure others share the same sentiment. Some of it is emotional assuming an airline would ground a fleet or have some form of a safety timeout for said fleet, but it also can’t be argued that an engine falling off an airframe is normal.
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Yeah, the company would have looked better to at least ground them for 24 hours and check some bolts or something. That is, unless they had a clear understanding of what happened, which they don't. It's typcial. Move the boxes. Nothing to see here. Always been like that and always will be. After the dust settles and they figure out what happened, they will take some action. Think EVAS or the E-GWPS software patch on the Bus.
 
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ERfly said:
No, I am not hinting at anything. In fact, I don't even have a FOR PROFIT YouTube channel where I can opine my WRONG opinions for money moments after people die.

And yes, I'm being EXTREMELY critical of HIS perspective, because it's wrong 99.9% of the time. He knows nothing about the MD-11 and has no idea why it crashed, yet he's making videos solely for money within moments of the accident.

Anything else?
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It was really tacky of him making that video in an airport terminal. Pax walking around behind him. An Alaska tail in the background. Just happened to be where he was so he made a video. Read the room.
 
DE727UPS said:
It was really tacky of him making that video in an airport terminal. Pax walking around behind him. An Alaska tail in the background. Just happened to be where he was so he made a video. Read the room.
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I blocked him after he made a whole video blaming pilot error for Air India crash, then when it was determined it wasn’t the flaps he never owned up to it. Never said I was wrong - here’s what we know now. Nope. Gotta get the clicks - make a nice headline, make definitive statements and then when I’m wrong just make a new video. I rarely block people (even influencers because I find it comical), but I couldn’t • stand seeing that idiot on my social media anymore.
 
DE727UPS said:
It was really tacky of him making that video in an airport terminal. Pax walking around behind him. An Alaska tail in the background. Just happened to be where he was so he made a video. Read the room.
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Why’s he still have a lanyard on? I thought he aged out. 🙄
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I looked up the plane’s day. It flew SDF to Baltimore and back. Bet you that BWI turn crew is unwell. Could just as well been them.





I had a LAX FO friend reach out to me. He flew to BOS. That same plane went back to the west coast. Next day, that same plane the plug door blew out.

That kinda thing messes with you.
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My aunt was an FA for TWA from 1968-2000. She traded OUT of TWA 800. And it messed with her a lot. Not just survivors guilt, but the supreme confidence in things.
 
I saw a news report with footage of trucks removing debris from on the airport. Amongst the debris was what looked like an engine core and a second trailer with what appeared to be a fairly intact pylon and inlet cowl. Apparently the airplane had recently gone through a heavy maintenance cycle at an MRO in my new hometown of San Antonio. I hope this isn't history repeating itself.
 
WacoFan said:
My aunt was an FA for TWA from 1968-2000. She traded OUT of TWA 800. And it messed with her a lot. Not just survivors guilt, but the supreme confidence in things.
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Brutal. That kinda thing stays with you.


I think I shared this before, my uncle (dad’s older brother), was the only one who didn’t leave Pakistan because his job was really good. 1976-2011 as a Professional Flight Engineer for PIA, the national carrier. Boeing 720, 707, A300, and 747-200/300. Check Engineer for the last two fleets listed.

Late Sept 1992 he was crewed to operate on a PIA flight as an observing/check engineer on an A300 to Kathmandu. Keeping in mind, the max A300s PIA ever operated was around 13, so everyone knew everybody. As it turned out, another check FE needed some specific days off. He reached out to my uncle and asked to operate this flight instead. My uncle agreed to help a friend and it was approved. My uncle was now no longer operating PIA 268 on Sept 28, 1992…


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Pakistan International Airlines Flight 268 - Wikipedia

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My uncle was not much with words but I could tell it set him back. He retired in 2011 and even to this day he still feels it.

I still remember this one, we had just moved to the USA in the first week of Sept 1992 and our uncle sent us off. And just a couple weeks later, the Flight 268 accident happened.
 
A300Capt said:
The FedEx Chief pilot wrote a very moving and touching letter to his pilot group expressing his condolences to the UPS pilot group. Class act! Thank you to the brothers and sisters at Purple….❤️
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Glad to hear. MC is very new to that role. Glad he is represented the Purple pilots well.
 
Maurus said:
All I can say is that when I was doing contract stuff with UPS in SDF during my AMF days UPS was very uncoordinated. I doubt that is the case with their MX but I have had to deal with a range of issues.

A few examples:
Getting assigned ramp spaces were they are storing empty cargo cans.

Having rampers attempt to load my plane without weighing the boxes.

Consistently late arrival of cargo to the plane. Sometimes several hours late.


I get it. My metro was small time compared to a 757 but I would argue this is where you really see how good an operation truly is. If the small stuff runs as well as the big stuff that is to be respected.

Surprisingly DHL in CVG seemed far more consistent.

This was 13 years ago though. Things may have changed.
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My experience with UPS was three decades ago, and I said that in my post. My entire interaction with UPS MX was one guy that was stationed at KBUR. We became friends and I'd help him out when I could (I helped change a wheel once and helped service hydraulics a couple of times but I was not an A/P at that point and was just manual labor) but he also owned a Warrior that he'd leasebacked to a flight school that I rented a few times at the "corporate" rate. He was a chiseler when it came to money. Occasionally a few of us would go out for lunch and when the bill came we'd all pony up our cash and he'd gather it all up and pay with his credit card, then he'd go directly to the bank and deposit the cash into a savings account that would accrue some tiny amount of interest before the end of the month and he'd withdraw it and pay off the card before he was charged any interest, and this was long before the internet was prevalent. He knew I was finishing up A/P school and told me he'd forward my short resume to the right people in Louisville but also said I'd have to move there for a while. I was young and dumb and I lived in SoCal and the thought of moving to Kentucky seemed like a horrible idea, was it a mistake on my part? Hard to say but my life would certainly be different today had I followed his advice.
 
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