UPS MD-11 crash at SDF
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Boris Badenov
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Obviously anecdotal, but that sort of looks to me as though it didn't roll until it hit something (re: slats, AA191, etc.)
ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
Always here if you need to talk.
DE727UPS
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ChasenSFO
hen teaser
I mean, you never know. There is a reason carriers tend to air on the side of caution. Look how many 737s were found to the extra exit door ready to blow when the AS PDX thing happened. We don't know what caused this. Are you sure it was unique to THIS MD-11 only?
Yeah, makes me wonder if over water or flat terrain they could have eventually climbed.
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///AMG
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Those aren't the actual safety privileged reports that were mentioned. You read the AIB or JAGMAN (USAF & USN/USMC respectively). The only actual SIR I am aware of that is out there, is Kara Hulgreen's, and that was illegally leaked back in the day. There can and sometimes are, differences between the safety investigation (privileged, not publicly releasable) and the legal investigation (which is releasable). But the most important difference is that witnesses in the safety investigation speak under the protections afforded to them in the process (can't be used against them in the legal investigation, not publicly releasable, etc). Witnesses in the legal/line of duty investigation are not afforded the same protections, and they are very much informed of this before they speak.
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///AMG
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Wasn't "we run the tightest ship in the shipping business" their slogan back in those TV commercials in the 80's? I forget if it was them or Federal Express, but I seem to remember it being UPS. I dunno, I was pretty young
///AMG
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I certainly don't mean this flippantly, but I appreciate you guys doing what you do, even with this unknown. Ya'll keep this entire country functioning......and much less importantly, I eagerly await my 10 year supply of engine oil filters I just ordered for my M3.
///AMG
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It is horrific. I have plenty of friends there, but beyond that, I have no personal connection. It is still horrific to watch that footage, and know that it is simply luck that it wasn't you. I have no doubt those folks did everything right.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I looked up the plane’s day. It flew SDF to Baltimore and back. Bet you that BWI turn crew is unwell. Could just as well been them.
I had a LAX FO friend reach out to me. He flew to BOS. That same plane went back to the west coast. Next day, that same plane the plug door blew out.
That kinda thing messes with you.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Death toll now 12
Black boxes found.
Black boxes found.
Yup. You won’t see the SIB report. Non-releasable. Sometimes, they get redacted to a factual summary only, in order to be presented to aircrews for safety training, but even that limited look comes with the disclaimer of “privileged information, not to be disseminated.” But a complete SIB “Green Monster” report that include Tab’s T-Z in it released publicly? Won’t happen.
in a mil accident, the SIB (white hat) is always convened first. For a Class A, a Board President, an Investigating Officer, a Pilot Member, and Mx rep, an Secretary, and any other reps deemed necessary, is former. The IO complies the report for the BP, who is the one responsible for briefing the accident to the higher HQ boss. When the SIB is about to complete its report, the AIB (black hat) gets convened with the same member roles, just different people. The SIB IO hands Tab A-S of their report to the AIB IO, but Tab T-Z isn’t handed over. AIB does its own investigation and completes its own T-Z, that report is briefed to higher HQ also, and is what will be publicly released.
Ironically, the SIB final reports for aircraft accidents I’ve personally written as SIB IO and which are stored at Kirtland AFB in the secured SIB library, I myself am not even authorized access to them. And I’m the author of them. Go figure. I’ve worked as PM a few times also, both SIB and AIB, and both are interesting in their own ways.
juxtapilot
Snowflake
Every time I see the footage I start reliving it.. And it really gives me chills.. especially since it looks like there was nothing they could do to at least try to fight for their lives.
RIP and tailwinds fellas.
///AMG
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Every time I see the footage I start reliving it.. And it really gives me chills.. especially since it looks like there was nothing they could do to at least try to fight for their lives.
RIP and tailwinds fellas.
Yeah I imagine they saw engine failure indications and had no idea about the rest of it. Airplane doesn't rotate right, won't fly. Starts rolling over, and just like you, I can imagine myself in that seat just wondering what the F I did wrong as my last thoughts. This one is pretty chilling. Especially the most recent video. Looks like a dystopian movie scene. Poor guys/gals. I hope their families have people around them right now.
phill1174
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I also feel for the MX person who signed the AWR for that flight. There isn’t anything in a work package I know of that could’ve caught what caused an engine to leave the airplane.
The latest was a little girl at a pick a part lot with her grandfather. Seems like every other hour the knife gets turned.Death toll now 12
Black boxes found.
The fact that the weather was nice was a life saver for many. If the flow had been to the north towards the university and the city we’d be looking at a lot higher death toll.
SeanD
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Whoa! That left engine is completely gone. WTF could have done that? Is UPS going to ground the MD fleet?
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i did see a couple of reports where it was delayed due to maintenance on the departed engine.