UPS Airlines Hiring

womanpilot73 said:
You’ll need to reapply to the new job posting.


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Do all who apply get a response back? I have applied 5 times already and have never gotten a rejection nor an acceptance notification for interview. It is odd since I have 15 years of international/worldwide, large/heavy aircraft experience.
 
948Heavy said:
Do all who apply get a response back? I have applied 5 times already and have never gotten a rejection nor an acceptance notification for interview. It is odd since I have 15 years of international/worldwide, large/heavy aircraft experience.
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It’s hit and miss, sometimes I’ve gotten TBNTs months after the fact
 
948Heavy said:
Do all who apply get a response back? I have applied 5 times already and have never gotten a rejection nor an acceptance notification for interview. It is odd since I have 15 years of international/worldwide, large/heavy aircraft experience.
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Your experience is likely why you arent getting any feedback. Your resume and app probably looks good to some but others probably wonder why you have so much international widebody experience but havent been picked up yet by a major airline.
 
Flagship_dxer said:
Your experience is likely why you arent getting any feedback. Your resume and app probably looks good to some but others probably wonder why you have so much international widebody experience but havent been picked up yet by a major airline.
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Maybe they are looking for only DXers who have that major airline experience. 948Heavy maybe got his experience in 135 ops or with lesser known but large operation operators.
 
A1TAPE said:
Flagship_dxer said:
Your experience is likely why you arent getting any feedback. Your resume and app probably looks good to some but others probably wonder why you have so much international widebody experience but havent been picked up yet by a major airline.
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Maybe they are looking for only DXers who have that major airline experience. 948Heavy maybe got his experience in 135 ops or with lesser known but large operation operators.
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I’d say we aren’t just looking at people with major airline experience since many of our new hires are coming from regionals.


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A1TAPE said:
Maybe they are looking for only DXers who have that major airline experience. 948Heavy maybe got his experience in 135 ops or with lesser known but large operation operators.
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It doesnt matter where he got his experience. With that kind of experience in the job market for the past 8 years, a major airline should have already picked him up by now or at least interviewed him. If hes already at a major trying to do a lateral move, that could be a problem as well. There isnt that much lateral movement at the majors. It also worth noting that it is a small industry. If you have been around that long, you want to have a good, well known reputation. A bad or unknown reputation after that long isnt a good thing.

With 15 years of experience, stagnation isnt really a good thing. If you have been doing 135 for that long, the question will be asked why havent gone to a 121 supplemental carrier.

Yes, some people do get extremely unlucky and their timing isnt great. In this job market though, that kind of experience and no interviews after that much trying means he isnt doing something right either with his app/resume or something else is up.
 
My unscientific observation in this profession is that the majors want experience, but not too much experience. 3 to 5 years seems to be the sweet spot.
 
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Flying Saluki said:
My unscientific observation in this profession is that the majors want experience, but too much experience. 3 to 5 years seems to be the sweet spot.
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And does that experience include taking on extra duties (supervisor, trainer, etc)?

How many people at the majors do you think have Supervisor/Training experience vs those that just have 5 years on a desk (nothing wrong with that)?
 
DogwoodLynx said:
And does that experience include taking on extra duties (supervisor, trainer, etc)?

How many people at the majors do you think have Supervisor/Training experience vs those that just have 5 years on a desk (nothing wrong with that)?
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I think there is something wrong with that. The way I see it, someone with 5 years desk experience doesn't have 5 years of experience. They have 1 year of experience repeated 5 times. After all, how many ways are there to dispatch a CLE-SBN flight?

After 3 to 5 years experience, you'd best be showing some professional growth; a more responsible position, a new company with bigger aircraft, an advanced degree, something that shows professional development. Think about who makes hiring decisions. These are people who have grown in their profession. Who do you think they want to hire? Some guy who's been slacking off for the past for the past 5 years? Or someone like them who is advancing themselves and their profession?
 
Flying Saluki said:
I think there is something wrong with that. The way I see it, someone with 5 years desk experience doesn't have 5 years of experience. They have 1 year of experience repeated 5 times. After all, how many ways are there to dispatch a CLE-SBN flight?

After 3 to 5 years experience, you'd best be showing some professional growth; a more responsible position, a new company with bigger aircraft, an advanced degree, something that shows professional development. Think about who makes hiring decisions. These are people who have grown in their profession. Who do you think they want to hire? Some guy who's been slacking off for the past for the past 5 years? Or someone like them who is advancing themselves and their profession?
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Someone who has been advancing themselves and profession! :D I've always been one to want to know how to do everything in my previous jobs/careers and will continue to do so when I get into a dispatch position.

I'm like a baseball utility player - decent catcher, know how to pitch, fast in the infield, and a "wheelhouse" fielder.
 
Flying Saluki said:
I think there is something wrong with that. The way I see it, someone with 5 years desk experience doesn't have 5 years of experience. They have 1 year of experience repeated 5 times. After all, how many ways are there to dispatch a CLE-SBN flight?

After 3 to 5 years experience, you'd best be showing some professional growth; a more responsible position, a new company with bigger aircraft, an advanced degree, something that shows professional development. Think about who makes hiring decisions. These are people who have grown in their profession. Who do you think they want to hire? Some guy who's been slacking off for the past for the past 5 years? Or someone like them who is advancing themselves and their profession?
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I disagree. I see dispatch as a profession, not merely a job. If you didn't see it that way why would you be applying for a dispatch position at another company in the first place after having "advanced" in your current company?

Dispatch is one of those careers where after 30 years on the job you are still learning and improving. It is much like a doctor or lawyer in that way. I don't think many doctors have the mindset that they can only perform an appendectomy in so many ways and need to become the hospital manager to advance in their career.
 
I worked for a major 121 Flag/Domestic operator for many years as an ATS/Dx and left it to start something new (not related to aviation). I left that job in good terms with several letters of recommendations in hand from my superiors (Chief DX, DO and VP of OPS). After a couple of years in semi-retirement, I came back to resume my career and decided to try my luck with UPS. In those couple of years I applied to UPS at least 4 times and once back in 2011 but never have I received any notification from the company - good or bad. I don’t want to work for any Mickey Mouse 135 operator nor just any major, I want to work at UPS!
 
948Heavy said:
I worked for a major 121 Flag/Domestic operator for many years as an ATS/Dx and left it to start something new (not related to aviation). I left that job in good terms with several letters of recommendations in hand from my superiors (Chief DX, DO and VP of OPS). After a couple of years in semi-retirement, I came back to resume my career and decided to try my luck with UPS. In those couple of years I applied to UPS at least 4 times and once back in 2011 but never have I received any notification from the company - good or bad. I don’t want to work for any Mickey Mouse 135 operator nor just any major, I want to work at UPS!
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It is very rare for someone who is an ATS at a major 121 operator to just leave the industry altogether. It probably sends up red flags to the people at UPS making hiring decisions.

You mention being in semi-retirement for a few years, I wonder if that also doesnt help as they may question if you are serious with your application and being a long term employee.

If you want to work for UPS, I would network and get as many contacts there as possible so they can get a fuller picture of why you went down the career path you did. You have a unique situation that might not look good or be well explained on an app or resume.
 
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