UPS 747 Crash from 2010, Conclusion. Cause was Lithium Batteries

Related to what I've been discussing earlier in the thread, the discussion on the ditching option into the Gulf is interesting.
 
Indeed. As well as the option to continue to the closer airport. Would certainly have made communications easier.

I was particularly saddened to hear that some decisions that the crew made (unknowingly - definitely a hindsight 20/20 thing), as well as things the crew did not have intimate knowledge of directly impacted their chances for survival. Descending to 10K instead of 25K (potentially adding more oxygen to the fire), Pack 1 no longer supplying positive pressure to the cabin, having the FO mask at 100%, the CA's inability to get to the emergency mask quickly enough... death by a thousand cuts.

Question... I know that the cockpit windows slide open on Boeings... I know that it would have created total chaos on the flight deck with wind and noise, but are there any thoughts to increased survival by opening the windows? Sounds absolutely nuts, but I was just thinking while reading that report that maybe MAYBE that could have helped clear the cockpit enough to be able to see what the heck was going on. Once you can see what is going on, and hopefully get some fresh air in there, I think that the survival chances go from incredibly slim to at least a slim shot.
 
The windows don't open on a 747-400. And you don't stop at 25K unless you can't land immediately. In this case they were trying to get it on the ground ASAP, which is the proper thing to do. Stopping at 25K doesn't help with lithium batteries anyhow.

Why shouldn't the F/O's mask been at 100%? It's supposed to be on 100% with the regulator in emergency to provide positive flow to the mask. At least that's how we do it on the 76.

I didn't read the final report but wasn't one of the packs deferred? Hardly the pilots fault.

The windows open on a 767. If you're pressurized, I would think it could make the smoke worse in the cockpit as the smoke is drawn out the open window. Unpressurized, it might be a good move to just be able to breathe and maybe see.
 
Take a look at the article I posted, it addresses these issues http://shem-malmquist.blogspot.ca/2012_01_01_archive.html

SteveCostello said:
Indeed. As well as the option to continue to the closer airport. Would certainly have made communications easier.

I was particularly saddened to hear that some decisions that the crew made (unknowingly - definitely a hindsight 20/20 thing), as well as things the crew did not have intimate knowledge of directly impacted their chances for survival. Descending to 10K instead of 25K (potentially adding more oxygen to the fire), Pack 1 no longer supplying positive pressure to the cabin, having the FO mask at 100%, the CA's inability to get to the emergency mask quickly enough... death by a thousand cuts.

Question... I know that the cockpit windows slide open on Boeings... I know that it would have created total chaos on the flight deck with wind and noise, but are there any thoughts to increased survival by opening the windows? Sounds absolutely nuts, but I was just thinking while reading that report that maybe MAYBE that could have helped clear the cockpit enough to be able to see what the heck was going on. Once you can see what is going on, and hopefully get some fresh air in there, I think that the survival chances go from incredibly slim to at least a slim shot.
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The article was revised to capture the issue/question of opening the windows. I had thought it was already in there, but that must have been another article.
 
seagull said:
The article was revised to capture the issue/question of opening the windows. I had thought it was already in there, but that must have been another article.
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The fact that the windows didn't open on the 47's was news to me. More or less ASSumed that if they opened on the rest of the 7-series, that they would open on the jumbo's.
 
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