Unprecedented Movement at Southernjets

ian said:
yes, i have had tons of skywest jumpseaters who are under the age of 40 who don't have apps out because they 'love their schedules and holidays off" and don't want to give that up to go to a major.
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ian said:
yes, i have had tons of skywest jumpseaters who are under the age of 40 who don't have apps out because they 'love their schedules and holidays off" and don't want to give that up to go to a major.
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I can personally vouch that weekends and holidays off while flying an A330 far exceeds that while flying the canuckstan space shuttle.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Less competition, I suppose.
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haha, I hear drastically different stuff on the line but that's because my place is just weird in so many ways. Ours goes more like this:

Pilot: "I don't even have my APP in at Southernjets because <bla bla bla chinese eastern joint venture, would you fly china eastern!?!>"
Me: "Well, international growth is really tricky and considering ME3/NAI, a cautious strategy DOES make sense, and there are still plenty of opportunities for widebody flying if that's what you want. Nobody wants to see the US airlines have to get bailed out again. Measured growth instead of growth just for growth's sake. As far as JV... well.. consider the billion people over there in a growing economy that can take a carrier they're familiar with and feed into the USA domestic system on codeshare... that's a LOT of growth and revenue."
Pilot: "nah not even applying i'm going to united they got them widebodies!"
Me: "Okay..." *in my head... woo, less competition, I guess*
 
Dphoenix said:
haha, I hear drastically different stuff on the line but that's because my place is just weird in so many ways. Ours goes more like this:

Pilot: "I don't even have my APP in at Southernjets because <bla bla bla chinese eastern joint venture, would you fly china eastern!?!>"
Me: stuff that is above our pay grades
Pilot: "nah not even applying i'm going to united they got them widebodies(while not realizing you should just fly whatever's put in front of you damn it)!"
Me: "Okay..." *in my head... woo, less competition, I guess*
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FIFY. ;)
 
BobDDuck said:
All of the majors (and big freight carriers) are starting to run into a problem where any sort of pay raise isn't very efficient because of the tax liabilities on $300+ an hour. I'd guess the next bargaining cycle is going to focus much more on tax deferred benefits (we may even see pensions making a comeback!) and more time offs/scheduling flexibility provisions. If a company is willing to spend X per pilot, but taking it in hourly pay raises only results in 60% of X, it makes sense to start looking for other ways to maximize the mmmto equation.
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Please let this be the case. Raise the lower end of the pay, keep the top where it is, and increase QOL provisions. I know I may be in the minority with that view, but math says that it would be way better over a career to make $200k every year than it would be to start at $80k and end up at $400k.

Oh and being home more is much more better than being at work more.
 
Nark said:
I'll called it a lack of proof-reading before submitting.

Perhaps I struck a nerve...
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No nerve struck here; it's impossible to be able to deduce a career path of several hundred pilots who bid something over the past year or two.


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Autothrust Blue said:
FIFY. ;)
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You're not wrong, but my next carrier is intended to be for life, the remaining 33 years of my career. I can't blame guys for trying to crystal ball it and see where the industry is going, and try to make the best decision. Look at your choice of airlines 33 years ago in 1984 and see if you would have picked correctly... it isn't an easy game. But yes, I'd rather go to a place that's careful and well managed because it probably ensures a smoother 33 years... However as a reason to not throw an app in? Ummmmm... Well considering I'm at a regional with a hazy future past 2020, only a few years away, I don't think "durr widebodies" is a good enough reason. And it's ridiculous anyway, my friend got 7ER on his initial AE... if that's what you want, you can get it pretty damn fast in "aviation years" at many different places.
 
Dphoenix said:
You're not wrong, but my next carrier is intended to be for life, the remaining 33 years of my career. I can't blame guys for trying to crystal ball it and see where the industry is going, and try to make the best decision. Look at your choice of airlines 33 years ago in 1984 and see if you would have picked correctly... it isn't an easy game. But yes, I'd rather go to a place that's careful and well managed because it probably ensures a smoother 33 years... However as a reason to not throw an app in? Ummmmm... Well considering I'm at a regional with a hazy future past 2020, only a few years away, I don't think "durr widebodies" is a good enough reason. And it's ridiculous anyway, my friend got 7ER on his initial AE... if that's what you want, you can get it pretty damn fast in "aviation years" at many different places.
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Competence is such a rare bird in these woods that I appreciate it whenever I see it.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Without having been in their shoes and know the exact details/specifics of the problems they face, I still don't think you can rationalize and make a generalization that "every" reason they give not to move on is debunked. Also interesting, quite a few people here making these kinds of comments were themselves hired at majors/legacies in their 20s, and many of them before any serious financial "stuff" (eg, kids, house, college payments for kids, etc). Hell, some of you were lucky enough to be single when hired at a major/legacy.
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A lot of folks here like to pontificate from on high in absolutes.
 
ian said:
yes, i have had tons of skywest jumpseaters who are under the age of 40 who don't have apps out because they 'love their schedules and holidays off" and don't want to give that up to go to a major.
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If I had a dollar for every time I heard this I'd be able to retire before I'm 30. I guess they have never heard the saying "you have to get uncomfortable to grow". If they don't apply then oh well, increases the chances for the guys who have been applying and updating religiously.
 
Cptnchia said:
Exactly. For a family of 6, with a child with serious medical issues, DPMP is the best for us. We max out the family deductible by July/August.
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One "oh I'm headed to the emergency room, I have a blood clot and DVT" is enough to have wrecked the "d00d! Do the HSA! Save so much!"

I'm on the HRA. HSA would have been a tacit disaster for me in the last three years. Looking st DPMP.

Welcome to middle age, my friends.
 
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