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txpilot said:
I think that sums it up right there...here we actually get our job done, keep our customers happy, and only have to worry about Joe running us into the ground.

I'm glad I'm not floating any more and having to bend over backwards to put out the fires...of course, they took care of me, and I took care of them, but I guess that doesn't apply at the airlines...happy to be flying boxes at a small company.:)

Boxes rules...I have been treated better in cargo than I ever have been by an airline. Plus we are non union!
 
Bandit_Driver said:
Boxes rules...I have been treated better in cargo than I ever have been by an airline. Plus we are non union!

Please enlighten me how being non-union is a plus? Please educate yourselves about the history of unions in aviation and what they have done for this profession before you make a comment. Beckne would roll over in his grave if he read some of these posts.
 
mrivc211 said:
Please enlighten me how being non-union is a plus? Please educate yourselves about the history of unions in aviation and what they have done for this profession before you make a comment. Beckne would roll over in his grave if he read some of these posts.

You sound bitter you didn't get to actually really fly before you started hauling people.

I think most of us that have been in aviation for a few days know that the airlines' unions have helped tremendously in safety. Having said that, what has ANY aviation union done in the last decade for its members...ALPO sure has helped everyody out right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Get over yourself.:whatever:
 
averyrm said:
Doing the very bare minimum that you're contractually obligated to do just seems.. I don't know, bitter?

One of the problems with ALPA, in fact one of the problems with unions in general, is the contract.

The pilots believe that the contract is the MINIMUM they are entitled to and the company believes that the contract is the MAXIMUM they must give.

It would be nice if there was some give and take, I'll do this to help out if you'll do that to help out. But there never is - mostly because people learn through bitter experience that the company will never do anything but that which they are required to do by contract.
 
CFIse said:
It would be nice if there was some give and take, I'll do this to help out if you'll do that to help out. But there never is - mostly because people learn through bitter experience that the company will never do anything but that which they are required to do by contract.

It must be different here. I got a weeks paid vacation four months before I was supposed to be able to because the CP is a good guy. I picked up some extra runs because dispatch was in a bind and I wanted to help.

I understand it's not like that everywhere, but damn it's nice to have someone help you out when you need it; I think that goes both ways.
 
Oh you can make your own "buddy" deals. I was doing that at Mesa until the MEC pulled me aside and asked me which contract I was following, mine or the union's!

I was never rude or impolite, and yes I would do a favor here and there, but not to the point of taking money out of someone else's wallet.
 
CFIse said:
One of the problems with ALPA, in fact one of the problems with unions in general, is the contract.

The pilots believe that the contract is the MINIMUM they are entitled to and the company believes that the contract is the MAXIMUM they must give.

It would be nice if there was some give and take, I'll do this to help out if you'll do that to help out. But there never is - mostly because people learn through bitter experience that the company will never do anything but that which they are required to do by contract.

Do you work under a union? at an airline? as a pilot?

A contract is exactly that a contract: it outlines what both parties who signed the document are expected and required to do. Nothing MORE nothing LESS.

Main Entry: 1con·tract
Pronunciation: 'kän-"trakt
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin contractus from contrahere to draw together, enter into (a relationship or agreement), from com- with, together + trahere to draw
1 : an agreement between two or more parties that creates in each party a duty to do or not do something and a right to performance of the other's duty or a remedy for the breach of the other's duty; also : a document embodying such an agreement —see also ... (emphasis mine)
 
Ahh....so yeah Omar is flying at a non-union shop right now as a captain on some turboprop equipment. I'm failing to see why his point of view isn't valid.
 
When I read txpilot's post, he didn't so much seem bitter. Heck, it was almost chipper.

Just kinda seemed like a personal attack for no good reason to me. But I could be missing something.
 
John Herreshoff said:
Ahh....so yeah Omar is flying at a non-union shop right now as a captain on some turboprop equipment. I'm failing to see why his point of view isn't valid.

Yeah, Jesus txpilot... show some respect! You should be bowing down to the all-knowing "regional" pilots. How dare you speak to a turboprop captain at a non-union "shop" (wtf?) like that! :cwm27: Wait, aren't you a turboprop captain at a non-union "shop" too? Oh nevermind, you fly freight. Crawl back in your hole, fool! :D

Haven't you realized that your opinion doesn't mean squat here at www.regionaljetcareers.com? :) :yar:
 
just my observations of his posts towards the regional guys on these forums. A few of us agree to this.
 
EatSleepFly said:
Yeah, Jesus txpilot... show some respect! You should be bowing down to the all-knowing "regional" pilots. How dare you speak to a turboprop captain at a non-union "shop" (wtf?) like that! :cwm27: Wait, aren't you a turboprop captain at a non-union "shop" too? Oh nevermind, you fly freight. Crawl back in your hole, fool! :D

Haven't you realized that your opinion doesn't mean squat here at www.regionaljetcareers.com? :) :yar:

Everyone has a right to their opinion. Heck, the last 3 months of flying has been with new hires. Half of them are "just happy to be there". As was I when I was new. But thanks to some old skool captains out there,and an old skool captain to-be named Dough, I was properly taught. It's my pleasure to pass on what I know, but it becomes tough when fellow aviators try to belittle your job because you don't fly freight.

No, I wont say this is yet another reason why this industry won't make it. Because it will. Because of people like Doug, A300 Capt, Don, and quite a few others that have been around the block. These guys try and teach us day in and day out about what they've seen. They teach us about how these tricks on pilots have existed since day one. It's just another new crowd, that doesn't know any better. And all we do is doubt them, and tell them about how we know better.

We attack each other by saying I would never step foot on a regional/freight because I hate this or that. My boxes don't bitch. My QOL is better than yours. I see it every day. When we should be saying, "I've got your back brotha".

As we all know, this industry is so small. Whether I fly with 6 year FO's, or pilots straight out of training, every checklist called for is ended with a please or thank you. Respect, professionalism, and dignity. At all levels. It goes a long way. I was once that new FO. I made nothing, worked hard, did ALL the walk arounds, got ALL the clearances, crossed seat belts to help FA's. The last thing these new FO's need is an ass of a fellow pilot breathing down their neck.

Theres something to be said about showing respect for your fellow pilots. Whether they are younger or older than you. Captain or first officer. They should be treated with the dignity that they deserve. We all have worked hard to get to where we're at. Whether you fly boxes, or passengers, each and every one of us is keeping the flying legacy alive in real time. Whether we realize it or not.

A lot of things are out of our hands. No longer are the days when most of the work force tried to help the company out. It seems these days that everyone is it in for themselves. After all, corporate america would care less about your QOL and bills. But that doesn't mean that treatment should be extended to each other.

Nobodies perfect. Heck I'm far from it. I occasionally post about topics that have perhaps happend to me, to help educate anotehr fellow aviator. So that person doesn't make that same mistake. Yet I see those same individuals start to question your action. As if they are the supreme being. The almighty Omega. Instead of a," glad your ok" or "thanks for sharing that with us" I often hear a," so your telling me you had a crewmember go incapacitated and you did nothing?" Dissapointment. Just utter dissapointment.

You can't please them all.
 
mrivc211 said:
It's my pleasure to pass on what I know, but it becomes tough when fellow aviators try to belittle your job because you don't fly freight.

Oh please. Get over yourself.

Thanks for the essay though, really. :rolleyes:
 
mrivc211 said:
just my observations of his posts towards the regional guys on these forums. A few of us agree to this.

Well, glad to see some of y'all agree about me. Good luck out there, since I see nothing bitter in my post...it was made in a jesting way, but if you want to keep getting your panties in a wad, go for it. More power to ya.

And, yeah, I am a TP capt in a non-union shop also, JH. I know what you were getting at, but come on...I didn't do anything to provoke this one.

One more thing, I have more appreciation for the people at the true regionals flying TP's than the SJS guys/gals. So, next time make sure you know what my points are when I say I am not too happy with the regionals and the way they are going. It's nothing personal against the people there...just wish SJS didn't exist.

Have a good one.

TX
 
EatSleepFly said:
Yeah, Jesus txpilot... show some respect! You should be bowing down to the all-knowing "regional" pilots. How dare you speak to a turboprop captain at a non-union "shop" (wtf?) like that! :cwm27: Wait, aren't you a turboprop captain at a non-union "shop" too? Oh nevermind, you fly freight. Crawl back in your hole, fool! :D

Haven't you realized that your opinion doesn't mean squat here at www.regionaljetcareers.com? :) :yar:

Just sayin' that Omar isn't some green 300 hour RJ FO talkin' out of his ass. I was also trying to point out that all three of you are pretty much doing the same job.

But that's cool if you guys want to bag on each other.
 
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