EatSleepFly
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I don't think anyone implied that he was.
Another hour of my life that I'll never get back.
Another hour of my life that I'll never get back.
Unofficial Company Manual
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averyrm
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Just seemed sad to me that someone needed to craft a document that could just as easily be titled "How to screw your company in a few short and simple steps" or "how to do the least ammount of work and still get paid"
Btw, the original regional comment was based on the fact that it came out of mesa.
Btw, the original regional comment was based on the fact that it came out of mesa.
mrivc211
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EatSleepFly said:
ESF- I thought more of you than what you just posted.
You know, life is about phases. When your young, your trying to be a hot shot, out there to prove something. Fast forward to when your 70+ and you start to see it was all a waste. That whole time you could have spent mending fences and making friendships.
Why does it take 70 years for some people to act nice towards each other?
Mr_Creepy
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averyrm said:
It really isn't about doing less work, it's about making sure the company has adequate staffing. If you have the whole pilot force picking up open time and busting hump for 11 months, come December everyone will be timed out. Just think of tha fatigue factor as well.
The document may have come from Mesa but it applied at every airline I flew for:
American Eagle
CCAir
Mesa
Air Midwest
Midway
Especially Eagle and Midway!
mrivc211
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You go through experiences that shape who you are.
About 6 months ago, on my way to training, I was riding the jumpseat on a Delta MD-90. I sat there very quietly and observed the captain and First Officer doing their thing. You wanna know the thing I observed and admired the most? Their professionalism in that cockpit.
That captain was gray haired and as close to retirement than most of use have been at the regionals. The first officer was a young, mid 30's, very clean cut, polite, respectful gentleman. Captain had a deep southern accent, very old skool. The FO was former ASA and had flown the braslilia for a few years. Both men welcomed me in that cockpit and treated me as an equal. It taught me to do the same to others, no matter who they are. I admired their actions. It taught me how to better mine not only at work, but in life as well.
About 6 months ago, on my way to training, I was riding the jumpseat on a Delta MD-90. I sat there very quietly and observed the captain and First Officer doing their thing. You wanna know the thing I observed and admired the most? Their professionalism in that cockpit.
That captain was gray haired and as close to retirement than most of use have been at the regionals. The first officer was a young, mid 30's, very clean cut, polite, respectful gentleman. Captain had a deep southern accent, very old skool. The FO was former ASA and had flown the braslilia for a few years. Both men welcomed me in that cockpit and treated me as an equal. It taught me to do the same to others, no matter who they are. I admired their actions. It taught me how to better mine not only at work, but in life as well.
GaTechKid
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txpilot said:
Let's insert the actual truth and say "just wish there weren't competing regional contractors putting downward pressure on employee wages."
It's just so easy to hate an image of a bright-eyed 22 year old fresh out of school willing to fly a jet for free though. Oh well....
Stone Cold
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wheelsup said:
Actually, I am very close to holding the Lear now. I'll be camping out in the 'Van though and building my time some more to be competitive in the future. I'll eventually get into a jet, probably the Lear at Airnet in the future, but it's not a pressing desire to get to a jet as soon as possible.
kellwolf said:
I understand why you went there and totally respect it. Commuting sucks!!! Yes, there are true regionals out there, and most of the regionals now cannot be considered true regionals when they are flying RJ's from hub to hub and the Majors are applying major pressure to you guys to fly bigger and bigger equipment. I know not all do this, but when there are 3-4 hour legs in an RJ, or going hub to hub, there's something to be said about it. I know it's economics and it sucks.
Having said all that, my beef is PRIMARILY with the 500TT gotta get into a jet now so I can further my career at the cost of the industry. Yes, I like ribbing some of you regional guys, and most take it okay, some dish it back...and some are crybabies that need to get some thicker skin.
mrvic211 said:
So, that's what this is about...wow! I learned a lot from how you guys operate, and hopefully you learned at least one thing about how we operate our a/c from that thread a few months ago, or whenever it was. I didn't realize in your cumbaya speech, it included a grudge from months ago to a fellow pilot, when I thought we had cleared up our misconceptions in that thread...guess not. Whatever.:whatever:
Let the fireworks begin.
TX
wheelsup
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You're avoiding the question...you have just as much SJS as us "regional" guys. I'm sure one of the big selling points for airnet was the lear.txpilot said:
txpilot said:
txpilot said:
txpilot said:
From an outsider looking in, just reading those posts, it sounds like you can't wait to get to the jet...(and no one blames you, they are fun and its a lot more comfortabe up there).txpilot said:
You attack "us" for wanting to fly a jet...and yet want to do it yourself.
I had 4x that TT when hired into an RJ...(although time doesn't mean much IMO). Even though I had that much more time and more options, I still went with a regional. Didn't I "cost the industry" just as much by going to a regional anyway regardless of total time?txpilot said:
mrivc211
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txpilot said:Actually, I am very close to holding the Lear now. I'll be camping out in the 'Van though and building my time some more to be competitive in the future. I'll eventually get into a jet, probably the Lear at Airnet in the future, but it's not a pressing desire to get to a jet as soon as possible.
I understand why you went there and totally respect it. Commuting sucks!!! Yes, there are true regionals out there, and most of the regionals now cannot be considered true regionals when they are flying RJ's from hub to hub and the Majors are applying major pressure to you guys to fly bigger and bigger equipment. I know not all do this, but when there are 3-4 hour legs in an RJ, or going hub to hub, there's something to be said about it. I know it's economics and it sucks.
Having said all that, my beef is PRIMARILY with the 500TT gotta get into a jet now so I can further my career at the cost of the industry. Yes, I like ribbing some of you regional guys, and most take it okay, some dish it back...and some are crybabies that need to get some thicker skin.
So, that's what this is about...wow! I learned a lot from how you guys operate, and hopefully you learned at least one thing about how we operate our a/c from that thread a few months ago, or whenever it was. I didn't realize in your cumbaya speech, it included a grudge from months ago to a fellow pilot, when I thought we had cleared up our misconceptions in that thread...guess not. Whatever.:whatever:
Let the fireworks begin.
TX
No Grudges here my man. Just tellin it like it is. Let the fireworks begin? In one ear and out the other huh?
I was invited for a airnet interview about 3 years ago before my "regional" days. I respectfully declined the offer once I already had a class date. But you don't see me pounding my chest about how I "prefer" regionals over freight etc etc.
mtsu_av8er
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This is crazy!
Can't we all just get along?
Can't we all just get along?
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
mtsu_av8er said:
Rodney, get back in the car and drive away.
TX, I agree with what you're saying. The majors are looking to shave costs, and the sad truth is the airline pilots at the major levels are more or less letting it happen (with the exception of US Air standing up and saying "We want the damn 90 seaters"). Personally, I think anything less than 70 seats belongs at a regional airline. I flew a MSP-ORF leg and a MEM-YYZ leg. I don't see ANYTHING regional about that. However, as the pilots we can only fly what we're scheduled. If it's between instructing for another year or so and cheating death on a daily basis, no health insurance, losing cash everytime the wind kicks up or it rains, and hoping my students actually show up, then I'll take (and did) the regional job.
I originally wanted a turboprop to start out on, but Colgan wouldn't give me the time of day, Horizon's mins are too high, Lakes was a pay cut and Air Midwest.....well, even I have standards.
I took the first thing that came along, and it just happened to work out well that it was at home. XJT might have been better financially down the road, but the commute woulda killed my family life. I'm still not too sure what's going to happen at XJT with those planes (yeah, they're keeping them, but what routes and for whom are they gonna fly them), but then again who knows what's gonna happen with NWA/PCL/XJ/Compass. The whole industry is a crap shoot.
Stone Cold
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wheelsup said:
Well, I'll just say apparently we have a difference of opinion on what SJS is. If you think building up time, flying 135 in props for 1 to 1-1/2 years and eventually upgrading into a beat up Lear, however cool it is,
as SJS then yes, I have SJS. When I finally upgrade into a jet I will have around 2400+TT, 450+ME, 800+TPIC (SE). Yes, I have known I will eventually fly a jet, but I didn't do it with 500TT or less, no experience in the real world, and the usual CFI mentality of "I've been instructing for 3 months and burned out. I must fly a jet now."Apparently you built up some good flight time if you were hired on at 2000TT. Why did you wait to go to a regional? Read this thread again and see where my gripe lies.
I'll let you decide this.
Once again I will say my original post was said in jest, and as far as the fireworks response, it was because I said some people get their panties in a wad. Still holding true.
TX
