United Junior Mans 500+ for the month of July

[PHL_Approach]

It's what happens when air travel demand skyrocketed after the pandemic, lots of early retirement packages given out, and insane growth

1.5 and 2x OT ain't ever bad, at least I don't think it is

UAL is the only carrier that didn't retire any a/c during the pandemic. All the other legacy carriers retired planes. So even if they took a hit on bodies they are doing just fine as far as staffing. You can't tell me UAL Execs didn't know they were not hiring aggressively enough when behind closed doors they had it already planned out they would start taking 2 to 3 deliveries per week for years to come. They are doing the best they can NOW. However, the damage is done. Usually brand new people have maybe 3-5 years of that "excitement" before they turn jaded. I'm seeing people with 4-6 months time signed off sounding as bitter as someone with 27 years that went through 2 bankruptcies and numerous mergers.

 

[PHL_Approach]

Yeah but don't you get pay protection after the JA? I have a friend picked up OT then they got JAd for the midnight prior. Got paid OT for the JA and got the OT pay because of the pay protection. 4x for one shift. Bananas...

But as the old saying goes "What good is the money, when you don't have time to spend it"

 

[Bobber]

Facts

 

[Stone Cold]

But as the old saying goes "What good is the money, when you don't have time to spend it"

@NovemberEcho

 

[mrezee]

United got you beat bro, two weeks out, lol how bout 10 days out. Full schedule change at their discretion. And you’ll get juniored as well on your days off.

Used to be 7 days at SWA. Nothing like making plans for a long weekend just to find out you're now working a midnight shift right in the middle of it. Thankfully they got rid of reserve in the new contract.

Our JA protections are pretty good. Can only get JA once per month, they can't JA you if the JA shift would result in you working more than 6 days in a row, you get six "golden days" per year to put on days off that take you off the JA list.

Been signed off for two years now and I've never been JA'd. I heard a horror story from someone at UA recently that got JA'd for every day of his 5 day weekend, though.

 

[retrodx]

UAL is the only carrier that didn't retire any a/c during the pandemic. All the other legacy carriers retired planes. So even if they took a hit on bodies they are doing just fine as far as staffing. You can't tell me UAL Execs didn't know they were not hiring aggressively enough when behind closed doors they had it already planned out they would start taking 2 to 3 deliveries per week for years to come. They are doing the best they can NOW. However, the damage is done. Usually brand new people have maybe 3-5 years of that "excitement" before they turn jaded. I'm seeing people with 4-6 months time signed off sounding as bitter as someone with 27 years that went through 2 bankruptcies and numerous mergers.

Those turning sour within 4-6 months after being signed off I can sort of understand.. Especially if they dealt with their own mergers, bankruptcies, and multiple moves on the way up to ORD. I’m about to pour one out for Compass, Trans States, and ExpressJet. Side note, where is UAL at now with their goal to hire large classes in the near future?

 

[McCrosky]

So out of curiosity, if you get a JA tap and then a few hours prior you suddenly develop a serious eye problem and can’t come to work… what’s the penalty? and I mean like for the employee and operation. Have they ever canceled a flight due to lack of dispatchers?

 

[Roger Roger]

So out of curiosity, if you get a JA tap and then a few hours prior you suddenly develop a serious eye problem and can’t come to work… what’s the penalty? and I mean like for the employee and operation. Have they ever canceled a flight due to lack of dispatchers?

I got anal glaucoma….can’t see my ass going to work today

 

[Flagship_dxer]

So out of curiosity, if you get a JA tap and then a few hours prior you suddenly develop a serious eye problem and can’t come to work… what’s the penalty? and I mean like for the employee and operation. Have they ever canceled a flight due to lack of dispatchers?

Not sure about United, but another legacy has in the past year cancelled flights due to dispatch staffing.

 

[balloonenthusiast]

But as the old saying goes "What good is the money, when you don't have time to spend it"

The time is going to come. I can only speak for myself and a lot of other folks currently in training but coming from a regional and being flat broke all the time to being at United and having the opportunity to make this kind of money is fantastic and makes having an emergency fund, buying a house, etc. all a possibility when I couldn’t even think about it a prior to being here.

Not to say I wanna work OT my whole life but with how busy it is right now you just gotta look at it as an opportunity to make some unreal money.

 

[balloonenthusiast]

Those turning sour within 4-6 months after being signed off I can sort of understand.. Especially if they dealt with their own mergers, bankruptcies, and multiple moves on the way up to ORD. I’m about to pour one out for Compass, Trans States, and ExpressJet. Side note, where is UAL at now with their goal to hire large classes in the near future?

Define large… they’re hiring classes of 20 right now and they’re saying at least 5 more next year but there’s a good chance that number is gonna go up.

 

[DontSink]

The time is going to come. I can only speak for myself and a lot of other folks currently in training but coming from a regional and being flat broke all the time to being at United and having the opportunity to make this kind of money is fantastic and makes having an emergency fund, buying a house, etc. all a possibility when I couldn’t even think about it a prior to being here.

Not to say I wanna work OT my whole life but with how busy it is right now you just gotta look at it as an opportunity to make some unreal money.

Sigh… I’m so sick of people defending junior manning like it’s a good thing because it personally makes them more money. The company has done the same thing, look how much money you’ll make! It’s a selfish argument based upon your own bias for willingness to work overtime. It’s an opportunity for you, it’s a menace for everyone else and I can assure you everyone else is the majority.
I couldn’t even fathom initiating a debate of is junior manning a good thing or not. Maybe you are just trolling or being contrarian. All I suggest is think of the group and not yourself before making a judgment.. especially when it aligns with the company. The implications or your statement essentially imply if you give me enough money I’ll sign my life AND all my coworkers lives away, and quite frankly that’s degenerate. Not everyone signs up to that lifestyle, including myself and many many more.

Junior manning is good @delta @southwest @amERICan
It’s an opportunity… duh!!!

 

[MT]

Sigh… I’m so sick of people defending junior manning like it’s a good thing because it personally makes them more money. The company has done the same thing, look how much money you’ll make! It’s a selfish argument based upon your own bias for willingness to work overtime. It’s an opportunity for you, it’s a menace for everyone else and I can assure you everyone else is the majority.
I couldn’t even fathom initiating a debate of is junior manning a good thing or not. Maybe you are just trolling or being contrarian. All I suggest is think of the group and not yourself before making a judgment.. especially when it aligns with the company. The implications or your statement essentially imply if you give me enough money I’ll sign my life AND all my coworkers lives away, and quite frankly that’s degenerate. Not everyone signs up to that lifestyle, including myself and many many more.

Junior manning is good @delta @southwest @amERICan
It’s an opportunity… duh!!!

Nobody is saying that involuntary junior assignments are a good thing. The company doesn't like them, the union doesn't like them, and the dispatchers don't like them. However, the way most of the dispatcher contracts are written, it is allowed and it's just an operational hazard of our industry.

You can point fingers at why this has happened (and I have 10 to point) but it doesn't change the situation. The facts are that the office is severely understaffed (which is being addressed but can't happen overnight) and that the contract allows for involuntary junior assignment. Something that I hope is addressed in the next contract. Therefore, the company will get the office staffed (in theory).

That is why it is up to you, the person with operational control, to ensure that you are rested and can perform the job functions safely. If you are given an involuntary junior assignment and did not get adequate rest, or if the cumulative fatigue of not having a day off is catching up to you. You are well within your rights as a licensed airman to call fatigued as you cannot safely perform the functions of your job. You are also within your rights to submit a DSAP report as you have the hazard identification role in SMS.

 

[gopherdx]

Sigh… I’m so sick of people defending junior manning like it’s a good thing because it personally makes them more money. The company has done the same thing, look how much money you’ll make! It’s a selfish argument based upon your own bias for willingness to work overtime. It’s an opportunity for you, it’s a menace for everyone else and I can assure you everyone else is the majority.
I couldn’t even fathom initiating a debate of is junior manning a good thing or not. Maybe you are just trolling or being contrarian. All I suggest is think of the group and not yourself before making a judgment.. especially when it aligns with the company. The implications or your statement essentially imply if you give me enough money I’ll sign my life AND all my coworkers lives away, and quite frankly that’s degenerate. Not everyone signs up to that lifestyle, including myself and many many more.

Junior manning is good @delta @southwest @amERICan
It’s an opportunity… duh!!!

I don’t understand how anyone can defend junior manning unless their sole purpose in life is to make money and that’s it. QOL/Work life balance takes precedence over money any day in my book. I’d prefer to choose when I work OT and not my company.

 

[Wonderlic]

The time is going to come. I can only speak for myself and a lot of other folks currently in training but coming from a regional and being flat broke all the time to being at United and having the opportunity to make this kind of money is fantastic and makes having an emergency fund, buying a house, etc. all a possibility when I couldn’t even think about it a prior to being here.

Not to say I wanna work OT my whole life but with how busy it is right now you just gotta look at it as an opportunity to make some unreal money.

The novelty of those nice paychecks rolling in wears off pretty quickly, especially when you are working almost every day of the month.

 

[azmedic]

The time is going to come. I can only speak for myself and a lot of other folks currently in training but coming from a regional and being flat broke all the time to being at United and having the opportunity to make this kind of money is fantastic and makes having an emergency fund, buying a house, etc. all a possibility when I couldn’t even think about it a prior to being here.

Not to say I wanna work OT my whole life but with how busy it is right now you just gotta look at it as an opportunity to make some unreal money.

You’re a real straight shooter with upper management written all over you.


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[azmedic]

Nobody is saying that involuntary junior assignments are a good thing. The company doesn't like them, the union doesn't like them, and the dispatchers don't like them. However, the way most of the dispatcher contracts are written, it is allowed and it's just an operational hazard of our industry.

You can point fingers at why this has happened (and I have 10 to point) but it doesn't change the situation. The facts are that the office is severely understaffed (which is being addressed but can't happen overnight) and that the contract allows for involuntary junior assignment. Something that I hope is addressed in the next contract. Therefore, the company will get the office staffed (in theory).

That is why it is up to you, the person with operational control, to ensure that you are rested and can perform the job functions safely. If you are given an involuntary junior assignment and did not get adequate rest, or if the cumulative fatigue of not having a day off is catching up to you. You are well within your rights as a licensed airman to call fatigued as you cannot safely perform the functions of your job. You are also within your rights to submit a DSAP report as you have the hazard identification role in SMS.

Just don’t bang out fatigued for the junior person’d shift (2023 not appropriate to assume..) while you’re still on duty working your current shift….[emoji1787]


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[DispatcherSam]

It’s one thing if I volunteer, but just in case, I’ve labeled work as DO NOT ANSWER in my phone as a safety precaution.

 

[who'swho]

It’s one thing if I volunteer, but just in case, I’ve labeled work as DO NOT ANSWER in my phone as a safety precaution.

Veteran move

 

[CardsInHTX]

I’ve resorted to blocking scheduling on my days off then unblocking them when I’m open to OT or picking up a junior man shift. They call C O N S T A N T L Y.