United/JetBlue Rumor Mill

jtrain609 said:
It'll be interesting to hear how everyone is convinced they got screwed.
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That’s the only way we’ll know it was done correctly. The amount of hand wringing by the average line swine that accompanies an SLI is fascinating. Admittedly this one will be more interesting than the last one I was a party to (AS/VX).
 
MikeD said:
UAL can open up the former LGB crew base. :)
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The city of LGB and JB have bad blood after the whole “international terminal” fiasco that caused them to pull out of the airport entirely. Bummer because that was my go to east coast west coast airport.

Besides, SWA owns 50 slots now. Delta 4, Hawaiian 2.

Fun fact, JetBlue, with their constant late night flights paid for a majority of the budget of the Long Beach Public Library system. When JB pulled out, the fines stopped and so did the city’s library funding.

The residents (my neighbors) had signs of 747’s on the front yard thinking JetBlue was going to fly in from Mexico on a A380 and they had a field day with the propaganda.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
The city of LGB and JB have bad blood after the whole “international terminal” fiasco that caused them to pull out of the airport entirely. Bummer because that was my go to east coast west coast airport.

Besides, SWA owns 50 slots now. Delta 4, Hawaiian 2.

Fun fact, JetBlue, with their constant late night flights paid for a majority of the budget of the Long Beach Public Library system. When JB pulled out, the fines stopped and so did the city’s library funding.

The residents (my neighbors) had signs of 747’s on the front yard thinking JetBlue was going to fly in from Mexico on a A380 and they had a field day with the propaganda.
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I've been getting the story of that whole LGB mess in drips and drabs over the last year or two and it's a fascinating. Apparently, everyone - including JB - wanted to stay. The versions I've gotten (which were more or less consistent) indicated that there was *one guy* on the LGB city council (or whatever it was) that torpedoed the whole thing.

I'm guessing it was more complicated than that, but a combination of politicking and NIMBYism killed it, from what I've heard. I've never gotten a whole, authoritative story though.
 
ShortField said:
That’s the only way we’ll know it was done correctly. The amount of hand wringing by the average line swine that accompanies an SLI is fascinating. Admittedly this one will be more interesting than the last one I was a party to (AS/VX).
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"None of you are happy except for #1, and even he's complaining? Good! This is the final integrated list!"
 
What really makes me proud of my industry and all the volunteer work I've done to help individuals is that how quickly that sense of pilot cohesion falls apart when it’s actually tested. Pilots talk about being brothers, sisters, siblings—like we’re all in this together. Fighting for the profession as a whole. Although, the moment someone feels like they might lose even the smallest bit of privilege or status, it evaporates. Suddenly it’s staplers, preferential interviews, fences, cherry picking metrics, decertification, and etc. The knives come out, and it becomes a "my regional is sooooo much better than your regional"- type argument for those petty privileges that, and let's be perfectly honest here, that luck and good timing played a huge part in - those of us in the trenches are yoked up and basically along for the ride. People are ready to throw each other under the bus just to keep what little bit of provledge they have. It’s disheartening.

One of my favorite phrases that I'm pretty sure came from reading copious amounts of Heinlein is "kidding on the square." I've seen a lot of that on the innertubes lately anytime the topic of impending or rumored merging of pilot groups come up.
 
ClearedForOption said:
What really makes me proud of my industry and all the volunteer work I've done to help individuals is that how quickly that sense of pilot cohesion falls apart when it’s actually tested. Pilots talk about being brothers, sisters, siblings—like we’re all in this together. Fighting for the profession as a whole. Although, the moment someone feels like they might lose even the smallest bit of privilege or status, it evaporates. Suddenly it’s staplers, preferential interviews, fences, cherry picking metrics, decertification, and etc. The knives come out, and it becomes a "my regional is sooooo much better than your regional"- type argument for those petty privileges that, and let's be perfectly honest here, that luck and good timing played a huge part in - those of us in the trenches are yoked up and basically along for the ride. People are ready to throw each other under the bus just to keep what little bit of provledge they have. It’s disheartening.

One of my favorite phrases that I'm pretty sure came from reading copious amounts of Heinlein is "kidding on the square." I've seen a lot of that on the innertubes lately anytime the topic of impending or rumored merging of pilot groups come up.
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I haven’t been doing this long enough to know but…how much of that is a few loudmouths and how much of it is real? I guess unfortunately it’s probably real based on *gestures broadly at everything*.
 
Roger Roger said:
I haven’t been doing this long enough to know but…how much of that is a few loudmouths and how much of it is real? I guess unfortunately it’s probably real based on *gestures broadly at everything*.
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Well a little of both. No one is willing to give up anything voluntarily even though we’re all “brothers”. What people think on the forums means absolutely nothing and people can advocate and make claims for why they should be ahead of X and none of it means a dang thing unless your on some integration committee who is putting forth a proposal. Getting into deep discussions beyond some general hypotheticals is a waste of time and not worth the high blood pressure.
 
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