United gets rid of bonuses for lottery giveaways. ..

BobDispatch said:
Dear United colleagues,
Since announcing our planned changes to the quarterly operations incentive program, we have listened carefully to the feedback and concerns you've expressed.
Our intention was to introduce a better, more exciting program, but we misjudged how these changes would be received by many of you.
So, we are pressing the pause button on these changes to review your feedback and consider the right way to move ahead. We will be reaching out to work groups across the company, and the changes we make will better reflect your feedback.
Appreciatively,
Scott
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Unique tactic.

Team United,

Here’s how bad it could suck. Since y’all said no bonus is better than bonus by lottery, we heard you and would like to announce we’ve adopted a “No Bonus for anyone” rewards program.

Thanks for helping us align to what’s you want.

-Scott
 
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I volunteer. I volunteer as tribute.
 
I think they were just poking the bear so to speak, I do t really believe they intended to do it at all.
 
Beep said:
I think they were just poking the bear so to speak, I do t really believe they intended to do it at all.
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Oh no. They were serial. They are totally out of touch with their employees, but thought this would be a great idea. I’m positive that they were walking around the GO in a state of shock that the whole thing was blowing up in their faces.

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This idea just needs to be filed with the whole “SureJet” debacle.
 
You'd be amazed what management types think. I spend all my time around fellow business owners now, and they're constantly shocked when they can't motivate their employees with things like stock options, performance based bonuses, profit sharing, prizes, attendance awards, etc. None of them even think about offering hard salary, benefits, and retirement. And really, it's not their fault in many cases. They've just never been employees themselves. They've been entrepeneurs their whole lives, and they're listening to "business coaches" and other gurus who also have never been employees, either, so they don't have a clue. They're always shocked when I tell them that salaried and hourly workers like consistency and predictability in their income and benefits, and they aren't interested in the same kind of motivators that they are. I'm actually thinking about making a presentation about this sort of thing at a conference.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
You'd be amazed what management types think. I spend all my time around fellow business owners now, and they're constantly shocked when they can't motivate their employees with things like stock options, performance based bonuses, profit sharing, prizes, attendance awards, etc. None of them even think about offering hard salary, benefits, and retirement. And really, it's not their fault in many cases. They've just never been employees themselves. They've been entrepeneurs their whole lives, and they're listening to "business coaches" and other gurus who also have never been employees, either, so they don't have a clue. They're always shocked when I tell them that salaried and hourly workers like consistency and predictability in their income and benefits, and they aren't interested in the same kind of motivators that they are. I'm actually thinking about making a presentation about this sort of thing at a conference.
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I don’t agree with you often but you hit the mf nail on the head with this.
 
MikeD said:
Why didn't they just end it quietly and with no public statement about it? Since hardly anyone was using it anyway. No one would've noticed and there likely wouldn't have been any controversy at all.

That they felt compelled to make a public statement about it, made it political.
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Because the decision was made not to and I think it was a bold, but altogether appropriate move.

If the NRA was a second amendment advocacy group like they were back in the day, it's one thing, but the loud, bombastic, religio-politco bloviation at every turn completely turns me off and I'd want to exfoliate that as well.

I think the overarching message it send to the Georgia State Legislature that the company is going to do what it feels is best aligned with it's corporate and social philosophy regardless of whats most politically expedient in a state approaching a high profile election. Having peeked over the castle wall a few times, very little of these stands are haphazard and solidly intentional.

Maybe except for the whole NFL thing a few years ago when they gave SEA the shout-out in the game against MSP on Twitter. I knew the lady who did that one, oops! :)
 
ATN_Pilot said:
You'd be amazed what management types think. I spend all my time around fellow business owners now, and they're constantly shocked when they can't motivate their employees with things like stock options, performance based bonuses, profit sharing, prizes, attendance awards, etc. None of them even think about offering hard salary, benefits, and retirement. And really, it's not their fault in many cases. They've just never been employees themselves. They've been entrepeneurs their whole lives, and they're listening to "business coaches" and other gurus who also have never been employees, either, so they don't have a clue. They're always shocked when I tell them that salaried and hourly workers like consistency and predictability in their income and benefits, and they aren't interested in the same kind of motivators that they are. I'm actually thinking about making a presentation about this sort of thing at a conference.
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Spot on. I had a business partner who used to repeatedly state “culture eats strategy for breakfast” like it was our company slogan. Really smart guy but had never been an employee outside of the military. I couldn’t get him to understand that the averages employee just wants a steady paycheck. He could not make the leap of logic from how a soldier sees the world and is motivated to how a hourly civilian employee sees the world.
 
Derg said:
If the NRA was a second amendment advocacy group like they were back in the day, it's one thing, but the loud, bombastic, religio-politco bloviation at every turn completely turns me off and I'd want to exfoliate that as well.
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Are they really doing that? I only keep hearing about the NRA over and over again because every time there is a shooting people bring up how much the NRA funds political campaigns, which may be true but I hardly see the NRA publicly campaigning for any massive changes in gun policy. It's more reactionary when someone else proposes an assault weapons ban (why do they keep doing that by the way, when it's objectively not the problem?). In fact I own guns and I've never even heard from the NRA. Don't get mailers, don't see many ads. A lot of gun owners I know are uneasy about the whole thing, and a lot of the members are only members because some gun clubs require it.
 
thevideographer said:
Are they really doing that? I only keep hearing about the NRA over and over again because every time there is a shooting people bring up how much the NRA funds political campaigns, which may be true but I hardly see the NRA publicly campaigning for any massive changes in gun policy. It's more reactionary when someone else proposes an assault weapons ban (why do they keep doing that by the way, when it's objectively not the problem?). In fact I own guns and I've never even heard from the NRA. Don't get mailers, don't see many ads. A lot of gun owners I know are uneasy about the whole thing, and a lot of the members are only members because some gun clubs require it.
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Ahem...

 
MikeD said:
My idea for united would be to invest in an Employee Stock Option Program.....
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That didn’t turn out too good when they went into Bk last time. If I recall correctly, the union agreed to concessions in pay and benefits in return for stocks and a chair on board of directors. The stock got relisted under the new United and all the old stocks were worthless.
 
I swear I think UA mng’t secretly is running B6 mng’t. The 2 teams together try and see who can come up with the most insane way to rally the troops. BlueJuice factory, keeps trying to make the wheel rounder and rounder.
 
MikeD said:
If United wanted you to have kids, they would've issued them to you.
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Even today in 2018 there are foreign carriers like Gulf Air that still require applicants for a FA position to be "single and childless"

Another was PIA's "users of spectacles or those with skin problems need not apply."
 
BobDispatch said:
Dear United colleagues,
Since announcing our planned changes to the quarterly operations incentive program, we have listened carefully to the feedback and concerns you've expressed.
Our intention was to introduce a better, more exciting program, but we misjudged how these changes would be received by many of you.
So, we are pressing the pause button on these changes to review your feedback and consider the right way to move ahead. We will be reaching out to work groups across the company, and the changes we make will better reflect your feedback.
Appreciatively,
Scott
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Are they reverting back to the old quaterly $ bonus method, or is the whole incentive program on hold?
 
Seems like some people have the logic that supporting the NRA is not political, but not providing the NRA with discounts is political?
Oh the hypocrisy.
How about let the company give discounts (or whatnot) if they want, or disassociate themselves if they want?
 
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