B767
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TwoThree waters and a trash bag, please.
Just don't take them off the plane...
TwoThree waters and a trash bag, please.
First Officer Jeff Montgomery, one of four pilots on the flight, discovered and photographed the image. He allegedly shared the photo with the other pilots and told one flight attendant he had seen a “disturbing image” on the aircraft. Montgomery requested a visual inspection of the engine compartment and removal of the image, according to the complaint.
Just don't take them off the plane...
First Officer Jeff Montgomery, one of four pilots on the flight, discovered and photographed the image. He allegedly shared the photo with the other pilots and told one flight attendant he had seen a “disturbing image” on the aircraft. Montgomery requested a visual inspection of the engine compartment and removal of the image, according to the complaint.
They were scared for their lives, and whether or not it was a credible threat, sometimes emotion gets in the way of reality.
Like the FA we had who claimed the Hasidic Jew who was praying by the galley was saying, "Allah Akbar" and making aggressive verbal threats. Yet when pressed, admitted to not speaking either Arabic or Yiddish. She saw an individual who did not meet her "acceptable non threat" make up, (westernized,) and made hasty bad judgement calls.
Like the FA we had who claimed the Hasidic Jew who was praying by the galley was saying, "Allah Akbar" and making aggressive verbal threats. Yet when pressed, admitted to not speaking either Arabic or Yiddish. She saw an individual who did not meet her "acceptable non threat" make up, (westernized,) and made hasty bad judgement calls.
Inside SJA joke. We had a series of training modules on cultural sensitivity where you asked the question, "But for (fill in the blank)" to get an answer of whether it was a legitimate concern or not.What's a BUT FOR?
Inside SJA joke. We had a series of training modules on cultural sensitivity where you asked the question, "But for (fill in the blank)" to get an answer of whether it was a legitimate concern or not.
Case in point. Several years ago, an Australian tourist on a domestic US flight was told by the FA he couldn't do something. Had to do with a bag, I believe. He complied with her, but said, "Fair Dinkum." She had him removed for verbally abusing her. No one ever asked him what that meant. It roughly means "no problem" or "OK."
So, to apply the concept, you would ask the question, "But for the fact I have no clue what this phrase means, I should find out before I proceed."
I SERIOUSLY doubt that all of this occurred during the very short time that the FA's were making their decision to walk. I'm sure AFTER the flight was cancelled operations, MX, Corporate Security, etc went over the plane with a fine-toothed comb but there's no way it happened before.That corporate security, DPS, operations, etc. cleared the plane yet for the FAs still refused to take it. It reaches a point where you are being too cautious. I'm guessing someone saw an easy way to have a day off.
Not that we know of but I can state for an absolute fact that we wrote notes on the rockets that were used in Iraq! I'm positive that the recipients of these never saw the note either....Hmm.
I wonder how many terrorist events have happened with a pre-declarance of "Goodbye!"
I think zero.
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Not that we know of but I can state for an absolute fact that we wrote notes on the rockets that were used in Iraq! I'm positive that the recipients of these never saw the note either....
Hmm.
I wonder how many terrorist events have happened with a pre-declarance of "Goodbye!"
I think zero.
Hmm.
I wonder how many terrorist events have happened with a pre-declarance of "Goodbye!"
I think zero.
The company spokesman stated, "Our flight operations, safety and maintenance teams appropriately investigated and determined there was no credible security threat." This is worded to make one think that all of this occurred at the time of the incident and yet the FAs still refused to fly. This is a pant-load; no way was the result of this inspection a part of the FAs' consideration before deciding to walk!
Here's a question for the masses: If the FAs feelings (that the aircraft was unsafe) were unfounded, why did United feel the need to inspect it? From the position of United, either the plane was safe, no inspection is necessary or required, and the FAs just wanted a day off so we fire them; OR the FAs concerns were justified we had better spend the time and money to inspect that aircraft as soon as possible just to make sure. Can't have it both ways. I suspect all the FAs will get their jobs back with back pay (and maybe a little more).
Let's play it out....the FAs get upset about a perceived threat and walk (just as they did in this case), later in the day MX finds a bomb. The FA's are praised as heroes that are responsible for saving hundreds of lives. The pilots are questioned and maybe even fired for their lack of proper decision making because they were willing to fly despite the fact that one of their own (the discovering FO) found the graphics disturbing...so much so that they had the engines inspected....yet, they decided to fly anyway.
OR...Everyone blows it off, hops aboard and takes off. The plane explodes reaching 25,000' and the entire discussion about the graphics, it's potential as a threat to safety, the requested engine inspection, and the "drama queen FAs" is all caught on the CVR.
OR...The inspections find nothing but Untied takes into consideration that some idiot MX person is responsible for the graphics. The idiot is fired for using one of their airplanes like a dry erase board.
I agree with @MikeD that we need to take into account the events of the past and not take too much lightly. In this case, I believe the plane should have been emptied and thoroughly inspected prior to it's departure and everyone goes on with their day. This is no different than someone stating a crew member looks like they've been drinking. One has to assess the risk of continuing the flight and act accordingly.
I think it's disgusting United fired these FA's. They were scared for their lives, and whether or not it was a credible threat, sometimes emotion gets in the way of reality.