United Aviate academy, Cirrus CAPS deployment

[T/O w/FSII]

CAPS isn't great for water landings. The gear will push through the water without yielding, then the fuselage & wings hit with a sudden stop. More than one broken back from the compression forces. Potentially better than gliding into water, but not something that changes the risk profile for myself. Honestly I'd rather swim away from a sinking airplane with a cut up face than a broken back, and have briefed that I won't pull for an engine failure if a water "landing" would result.

Well there’s at least one video of this happening that debunks this. A guy run out of gas going to Hawaii and got the entire thing on video.

Otherwise you’re flipping upside down. Hope the family and kids in the back know how to do that.

FWIW it has 26g crushable seats.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

"With this, or upon it!"

 

[Murdoughnut]

Well there’s at least one video of this happening that debunks this. A guy run out of gas going to Hawaii and got the entire thing on video.

Otherwise you’re flipping upside down. Hope the family and kids in the back know how to do that.

FWIW it has 26g crushable seats.

In my head I always thought it might be better to jump off the wing once you were about 10’ above the water. And if my wife was with me (since she has back problems) I figured she could lay on her back in the back seat with her knees to her chest to avoid spinal contraction

 

[BobDDuck]

In my head I always thought it might be better to jump off the wing once you were about 10’ above the water.

This kind of reads like trying to jump up off the floor of an elevator that is in free fall, right before it crashes into the ground.

 

[DropTank]

In my head I always thought it might be better to jump off the wing once you were about 10’ above the water. And if my wife was with me (since she has back problems) I figured she could lay on her back in the back seat with her knees to her chest to avoid spinal contraction

Having hit the water at over 60mph...
Don't do that.

(it was more skipping across for a few hundred)

 

[MikeD]

Some on-scene pics I snapped in the rolling terrain that drops into a wash, where the SR20 ended up.

 

[jhugz]

Well there’s at least one video of this happening that debunks this. A guy run out of gas going to Hawaii and got the entire thing on video.

Otherwise you’re flipping upside down. Hope the family and kids in the back know how to do that.

FWIW it has 26g crushable seats.

Confirmation Bias

There has been a good amount of water landings after CAPS deployment that have created back injuries. The seats and landing gear don’t work properly in the water which leads to higher vertical G force on impact than a on land CAPS deployment.

 

[Murdoughnut]

Some on-scene pics I snapped in the rolling terrain that drops into a wash, where the SR20 ended up.

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Looks wholly intact - perhaps the downslope protected the airframe a bit.

 

[invadertim]

Looks wholly intact - perhaps the downslope protected the airframe a bit.

Doesn’t popping the chute effectively total the airframe, regardless of the level of damage?

 

[bp]

Doesn’t popping the chute effectively total the airframe, regardless of the level of damage?

i think maybe on the first and second gen but i am pretty sure newer models can be repaired, it obviously would not be cheap but the cirri hull values are up there to not total an airframe. obviously situation dependent on other crash damage

 

[T/O w/FSII]

In my head I always thought it might be better to jump off the wing once you were about 10’ above the water. And if my wife was with me (since she has back problems) I figured she could lay on her back in the back seat with her knees to her chest to avoid spinal contraction

This isn’t an action movie. And I thought you said it’s better to fly it into the water?

Confirmation Bias

There has been a good amount of water landings after CAPS deployment that have created back injuries. The seats and landing gear don’t work properly in the water which leads to higher vertical G force on impact than a on land CAPS deployment.

Oh no, a possible back injury vs the possibility of me and my family drowning after a violent flip upside down in water with no doors for the back passengers.

I’ll take the video evidence it works vs the rumor mill.

 

[DropTank]

Confirmation Bias

There has been a good amount of water landings after CAPS deployment that have created back injuries. The seats and landing gear don’t work properly in the water which leads to higher vertical G force on impact than a on land CAPS deployment.

Why, exactly, do 26G seats not work in water?

 

[T/O w/FSII]

Because G sounds for ground. Duh.

 

[Murdoughnut]

Doesn’t popping the chute effectively total the airframe, regardless of the level of damage?

Not necessarily. Very first CAPS deployment aircraft flew again.

CAPS Event History