United Aviate academy, Cirrus CAPS deployment

OldTownPilot said:
CAPS isn't great for water landings. The gear will push through the water without yielding, then the fuselage & wings hit with a sudden stop. More than one broken back from the compression forces. Potentially better than gliding into water, but not something that changes the risk profile for myself. Honestly I'd rather swim away from a sinking airplane with a cut up face than a broken back, and have briefed that I won't pull for an engine failure if a water "landing" would result.
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Well there’s at least one video of this happening that debunks this. A guy run out of gas going to Hawaii and got the entire thing on video.

Otherwise you’re flipping upside down. Hope the family and kids in the back know how to do that.

FWIW it has 26g crushable seats.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
Well there’s at least one video of this happening that debunks this. A guy run out of gas going to Hawaii and got the entire thing on video.

Otherwise you’re flipping upside down. Hope the family and kids in the back know how to do that.

FWIW it has 26g crushable seats.
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In my head I always thought it might be better to jump off the wing once you were about 10’ above the water. And if my wife was with me (since she has back problems) I figured she could lay on her back in the back seat with her knees to her chest to avoid spinal contraction
 
Murdoughnut said:
In my head I always thought it might be better to jump off the wing once you were about 10’ above the water. And if my wife was with me (since she has back problems) I figured she could lay on her back in the back seat with her knees to her chest to avoid spinal contraction
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Having hit the water at over 60mph...
Don't do that.

(it was more skipping across for a few hundred)
 
Some on-scene pics I snapped in the rolling terrain that drops into a wash, where the SR20 ended up.

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T/O w/FSII said:
Well there’s at least one video of this happening that debunks this. A guy run out of gas going to Hawaii and got the entire thing on video.

Otherwise you’re flipping upside down. Hope the family and kids in the back know how to do that.

FWIW it has 26g crushable seats.
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Confirmation Bias

There has been a good amount of water landings after CAPS deployment that have created back injuries. The seats and landing gear don’t work properly in the water which leads to higher vertical G force on impact than a on land CAPS deployment.
 
invadertim said:
Doesn’t popping the chute effectively total the airframe, regardless of the level of damage?
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i think maybe on the first and second gen but i am pretty sure newer models can be repaired, it obviously would not be cheap but the cirri hull values are up there to not total an airframe. obviously situation dependent on other crash damage
 
Murdoughnut said:
In my head I always thought it might be better to jump off the wing once you were about 10’ above the water. And if my wife was with me (since she has back problems) I figured she could lay on her back in the back seat with her knees to her chest to avoid spinal contraction
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This isn’t an action movie. And I thought you said it’s better to fly it into the water?

jhugz said:
Confirmation Bias

There has been a good amount of water landings after CAPS deployment that have created back injuries. The seats and landing gear don’t work properly in the water which leads to higher vertical G force on impact than a on land CAPS deployment.
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Oh no, a possible back injury vs the possibility of me and my family drowning after a violent flip upside down in water with no doors for the back passengers.

I’ll take the video evidence it works vs the rumor mill.
 
jhugz said:
Confirmation Bias

There has been a good amount of water landings after CAPS deployment that have created back injuries. The seats and landing gear don’t work properly in the water which leads to higher vertical G force on impact than a on land CAPS deployment.
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Why, exactly, do 26G seats not work in water?
 
T/O w/FSII said:
Oh no, a possible back injury vs the possibility of me and my family drowning after a violent flip upside down in water with no doors for the back passengers.

I’ll take the video evidence it works vs the rumor mill.
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Look at the back injuries, from CAPS deployments in water…I’m not making this up or shooting from the hip like you are from one successful YT video.

CAPS is an incredible tool, but for some reason people like to always argue over it. Should I deploy here? Should I not deploy there?

Look at the numbers, at this point there is enough evidence/statistics to make an informed decision without emotion.
 
DropTank said:
Why, exactly, do 26G seats not work in water?
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It’s not the seats as much as it’s the gear. You’re coming down at 1700 fpm under CAPS (if memory serves) and the gear is suppose to absorb the vertical deceleration and then sheer off to not pass as much force on to the occupants of the cabin. In the water, this doesn’t occur and the gear stays attached and the cabin gets the full vertical deceleration. The seat helps some, but again the gear is the biggest player.
 
For me every time a chute is pulled it just reinforces my view that Cirrus are too much plane for the pilots that buy them (read $) because of lack of experience.

Glad it all turned out ok but I'll pretty much always look down my.nose at Cirrus pilots. If you can afford that plane you can afford a BE90.
 
moxiepilot said:
For me every time a chute is pulled it just reinforces my view that Cirrus are too much plane for the pilots that buy them (read $) because of lack of experience.

Glad it all turned out ok but I'll pretty much always look down my.nose at Cirrus pilots. If you can afford that plane you can afford a BE90.
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I get the sentiment but this isn’t totally fair. Cirrus specifically teaches scenarios for when to pull and reinforces that in training. If they had their way, though, the PPL/IR would be one cert/rating. If you decide NOT to pull the chute in conditions where they expressly teach it, the convos with the insurance companies are going to be….spirited….if someone gets hurt.

Whether one likes it or not, CAPS deployments save lives, which means MUCH lower insurance payouts.
 
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