Where I fail to make a connection with Operation Northwoods and 9/11 is it would seem that there was no intent to actually murder thousands of American citizens. In addition it would seem that the majority of what was proposed entailed military cloak and dagger to present the illusion that these Cuban terrorist acts had occurred.
Another important fact is that it never happened. There is a very large gap between the absolutely crazy crap that is dreamed up by our government and what they actually do. In all honesty this operation doesn’t read any differently than a lot of the insane stuff dreamed up by the US government during the cold war and it doesn’t surprise me at all.
Now if this Operation had actually occurred and we went to war with Cuba under these pretenses and 50 years later the details of this operation were released without anyone coming forward between now and then……………I would be more likely to say “hey look they did it to us with the Cuban War why not with 9/11 and the subsequent middle eastern military operations!”.
Our government is capable of innumerable despicable actions but committing the largest mass-murder in this country’s history? I don’t think so.
Let me edit the last statement.......... The largest mass-murder in this country's history not including the Native American wars. Our government is perfectly capable of mass-murdering people that are different than us.
My questions (or hambone's as I read him) are not limited to the body count. I'm not sure how these thread missions get hijacked and steered off course. As Doug Taylor pointed out, this is an aviation web site (not a body count website). Like hambone I want to know how accurate government investigations and reports of aircraft incidents are, what the history and capacity of government is for deception, and most of all, the potential impacts on civilian aviation. So below I have attached an aviation related portion of the actual Northwood documents. Its clear to me after reading the entire documents that the joint chiefs gave Kennedy a choice of lethal or faked casulties, but they were clearly offering real mahem and complex plans to deceive the public. Now how is all that unrelated to pilot interests or this forum? Even if government has since been taken over by doves and angels, its still damn interesting, and it proves that (at least in past) the military felt comfortable proposing bizarre government conspiracies involving civilian aviation.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf (From George Washington Universtiy)
Page 8 #3b - "(faked) Casualty lists in newspapers would cause a helpful wave of indigation."
Page 8 #4 - "We could develop a Communist terror campaign in the Miami area, Florida cities and even in Washington. The arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents would also be helpful (in framing the communists). ......exploding a few plastic bombs ...."
Page 9 #6 - "Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harrassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping...by Mig type planes.... reasonable copies of the MIG could be produced from US sources..."
Page 10 #7 - Hijacking attempts against civil air...."
Page 10 #8 - "It is possible to create an incident that will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner..."
Another important fact is that it never happened.
You are correct. It appears that Kennedy refused to consider a plan to murder Americans and blame it on Cuban/communist sympathisizers. Instead he fired the chairman of the joint chiefs and the head of the CIA. Then, in another bizarre twist, a short time later Kennedy himself was coincidentally murdered by an alleged Cuban/Communist sympathizer, who was himself quickly murdered. There was no trial, just another government report cloaked by classified documents that Americans were not allowed to see. But any more about Kennedy would be off topic. I want to keep it on aviation related subject matter. And that's the problem. We seem to have driven off hambone, flying bum and the guys who were on to this stuff by burying this thread in trivia, jokes and personal attacks. Anybody care to invite hambone back to continue his thoughts without being slammed? With 5000 views in a week, his questions must be relevent to more people than just me.
