United 93 - Accident Investigation

Qutch said:
I think that's a valid philosophy Doug. . But some people just can't be happy if they suspect that their own government would consider killing them (or clearing a path for others to kill them). . It would be easier for us to dismiss them all as crackpots if the US Government hadn't planned and executed "false flag" operations and similar schemes in the past. I spent enough time in military R&D, the Pentagon and on Capital Hill to casually dismiss the possibility that the question might be worth asking.

I keep waiting for someone to mention the now declassified 1960s Operation Northwoods. Among the schemes proposed by the Joint Chiefs, were to set off bombs in the United States, blowing up their own ships with Navy personnel on board, and flying a civilian jet liner by remote control that they would shoot down with CIA flown fighters. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1 This one can no longer be dismissed as a conspiracy theory, except by those who don't know their history. . Declassified operations like Northwoods, MKULTRA and Midnight Climax (just to name a few) make it tough for us to ridicule those who want to ask these questions about 911. . I hope they're wrong also. . However, I just saw enough in my military career, and have read enough declassified documents, to prevent me from completely dismissing their questions as lunacy. . I think, if respectful, they should be allowed to ask their questions and make their points without being ridiculed. . We might learn something. . But that's just me.
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Why have none of the conspiracy theory bashers not challenged you yet? You have brought extremely compelling examples of why there could be a decent amount of truth to some of the 9/11 conspiracies but yet no one has piped in.
 
hambone said:
Why have none of the conspiracy theory bashers not challenged you yet? You have brought extremely compelling examples of why there could be a decent amount of truth to some of the 9/11 conspiracies but yet no one has piped in.
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Because there is nothing to challenge him on. If Operation Northwoods was the blue print to 9/11 then why declassify it? Also in Operation Northwoods no Americans were going to died.
 
Gonzo said:
Because there is nothing to challenge him on. If Operation Northwoods was the blue print to 9/11 then why declassify it? Also in Operation Northwoods no Americans were going to died.
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Well if you read what Qutch said about that operation, I think he said something about Navy ships being blown up with sailors on board? Although I guess that doesn't mean they have to die. :dunno:
 
staledog said:
Well if you read what Qutch said about that operation, I think he said something about Navy ships being blown up with sailors on board? Although I guess that doesn't mean they have to die. :dunno:
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It was going to be Navy ships with no one on board but they were going to act like people were on board.
 
Gonzo said:
Also in Operation Northwoods no Americans were going to died.
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Forty years before 9/11 the CIA suggests staging terrorist attacks on US soil to manufacture a casus belli to invade another country and you don't find it pertinent or concerning because they "weren't going to hurt anyone"?
 
Gonzo said:
Because there is nothing to challenge him on. If Operation Northwoods was the blue print to 9/11 then why declassify it? Also in Operation Northwoods no Americans were going to died.
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ok, I'm not a conspiracy theorist but planning terrorist attacks in the US and starting riots in DC mean that someone is going to die to me.

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets.

A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms:
a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba.

Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere.
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Those are just snippets from wiki page.
 
hambone said:
Why have none of the conspiracy theory bashers not challenged you yet? You have brought extremely compelling examples of why there could be a decent amount of truth to some of the 9/11 conspiracies but yet no one has piped in.
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Must be a conspiracy.
 
WacoFan said:
When I was writing that post - I put that in there specifically for you - seriously. Not that I don't believe it, I do - but I would have refrained from putting it in there but then it occured to me: "It is 6:30am after a long weekend. I haven't gotten Bee's panties in a twist in a couple of days. Ah screw it - it's going in!"

:cheerful:
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thanks for continuing to prove my point!
 
hambone said:
Why have none of the conspiracy theory bashers not challenged you yet? You have brought extremely compelling examples of why there could be a decent amount of truth to some of the 9/11 conspiracies but yet no one has piped in.
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I guess you can consider me a "conspiracy facepalmer" as the word "bash" is far, far overused. Just like "slam".

I don't care. Is there more material which I don't know? Of course! Hell, there are still large swathes of classified materials from WW1, of course there are going to be classified materials from 9/11.
 
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I can buzz up to Des Moines. You can get one of those gay marriages in Iowa. The relevant question is this: If you were a homo and could set up shop anywhere that allowed gay marriage, why would you pick Iowa?
 
hambone said:
Why have none of the conspiracy theory bashers not challenged you yet? You have brought extremely compelling examples of why there could be a decent amount of truth to some of the 9/11 conspiracies but yet no one has piped in.
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A bunch of us have been following Qutch in the military forum, and he's hard to challenge (unless you just want to make something up or toss out trivia, which they don't do as much over there - a bit more professional there - better moderators). I've seen some fighter pilots challenge him and it didn't end well (for the fighter pilots ). After the clowns and critics finally left the room, he put on quite a class. Knows his stuff. Spooky zen magic type stuff. Not in the book. Nobody's seen it before. But it works like he says. We use it to spook the CFII s. LOL - GPS and FMS are too slow, Qutch is faster. Also puts on private internet classes for converts.

So I read his Midnight Climax, Operation Northwoods, MKUltra and AJAX stuff. Holy s#!*?!! CIA admits it on their own website. No kidding they were killing, drugging, Americans too. I'm never laughing at conspiracy theorists again. Feel stupid. Need to bone up on my history lessons I guess. How come we never hear about any of this stuff? Where's the media? Asleep?

We want more. Get back in here Qutch. You are starting to get through. Ignore the ignorants in here and start another one of your classes.
 
PugetSoundMan said:
A bunch of us have been following Qutch in the military forum, and he's hard to challenge (unless you just want to make something up or toss out trivia, which they don't do as much over there - a bit more professional there - better moderators). I've seen some fighter pilots challenge him and it didn't end well (for the fighter pilots ). After the clowns and critics finally left the room, he put on quite a class. Knows his stuff. Spooky zen magic type stuff. Not in the book. Nobody's seen it before. But it works like he says. We use it to spook the CFII s. LOL - GPS and FMS are too slow, Qutch is faster. Also puts on private internet classes for converts.

So I read his Midnight Climax, Operation Northwoods, MKUltra and AJAX stuff. Holy s#!*?!! CIA admits it on their own website. No kidding they were killing, drugging, Americans too. I'm never laughing at conspiracy theorists again. Feel stupid. Need to bone up on my history lessons I guess. How come we never hear about any of this stuff? Where's the media? Asleep?

We want more. Get back in here Qutch. You are starting to get through. Ignore the ignorants in here and start another one of your classes.
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No, the media isn't asleep. They are presstitutes doing what they are paid to do. Be careful talking about the CIA drug running into America. People have a VERY hard time accepting the truth. Even though they admit it and have been caught, people still refuse to believe it.
 
MQAAord said:
Yeah, me too.

A whole 3 posts and calling us unprofessional?
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Some people can size up a situation VERY quickly. :D






And, for old times sake....
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