United 93 - Accident Investigation

MikeD said:
It depends what that information is. If it's Law Enforcement Sensitive, it may very well.
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To be absolutely accurate, LES is not "classified". It is sensitive but unclassified, just like SSI is not, legally speaking, classified. Classified information refers strictly to defense-related information critical to national security. There are lawsuits over this, and generally as an advocate of open government the distinction is important to me.

(You'll lose your job all the same...but we're talking two different kinds of crimes.)

Post-9/11, there's apparently been a rapid expansion in SSI/LES/For Official Use Only. In fact, the expansion is such that not even the agencies responsible can keep track of the amount of SSI/LES/FOUO information out there.
 
there are many many things of which you've never heard.

Oh and by the way, MikeD was a delivery boy in the Middle East. A very precise and lethal delivery boy!
 
Blackhawk said:
Yeah, six schmucks couldn't keep Abu Ghraib a secret, but hundreds if not thousands of people over two administrations from two very different political parties are covering up a mass murder. Makes perfect sense to me. Yeah, and we brought down an airliner full of innocent people... because...
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And that right there is what makes it believable folks. Do I believe our government is capable of some sick demented stuff on a massive scale? Yup. Do I believe they could pull off 9/11(popular conspiracies suggest controlled demolition of the WTC, do you know how many people would have to be involved with that?) without screwing it up and having any leaks? Hell no, are you on crack?
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Post-9/11, there's apparently been a rapid expansion in SSI/LES/For Official Use Only. In fact, the expansion is such that not even the agencies responsible can keep track of the amount of SSI/LES/FOUO information out there.
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I think everything we see at work regardless of how mundane has a FOUO designation.

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USMCmech said:
That said, if a person believes the "9/11 was a government conspircy" lunacy, then I seriously question that person's intelligence and judgement (the "fake moon landing" crowd is in the same boat).
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One of my roommates is this way and it is incredibly annoying.

"The government is poisoning us with chemtrails..."

"9/11 was an inside job..."


I'm sorry but just because Jesse Ventura talks about "conspiracy theory" on the tube doesn't mean its reality, that's why it's called a theory.
 
hambone said:
I take it you've never been outside the US never or for a very short period of time?
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Yeah, your right. Except six months in Germany. And 2 1/2 years in Korea. Deployments to Central/South America and Australia. Six months in Africa. Oh, and a year in the Middle East. But except for that, I've never been outside the US.
 
Not to feed the controlled demolition wackos in any way - and I'm certainly not an expert - but....

Do you know how long a team has to work on even a modestly sized building (like 10-20 stories) in order to bring it down precisely? A completely vacant building - where they can weaken structure at certain points, bolster structure at others, strategically place dynamite, etc? Again - I'm not a demolition expert, but I've watched a documentary on TV as well as talked to people in that business - and it takes quite a while to bring down even a modest building with TnT - I'm thinking that it would have been conspicuous prepping the twin-towers for this controlled demolition right under the noses of the 25,000 people that worked there every day.
 
The commision report was definetly an entertaining read. I'm glad they found Satam al-Suqami's passport after it flew out of AA flight 11 after impact. Although several people came forward and reported finding the black boxes, the official report tells us they were never found. Oh well.
 
I guess I also find such theories insulting as a retired member of the military. The idea that you would get that many members of the military and intelligence community to go along with something like that to begin with borders on fantasy and displays total ignorance of the culture of the United States. After all, our military is really a civilian military with most officers coming from civilian universities where they received liberal educations (though granted we were able to overcome that handicap). But let's suspend reality for a moment and say you got hundreds of members of the military and intelligence community to dump all their moral upbringing and go along with such an act. In ten years not one person has stepped forward with pangs of guilt and admitted involvement? Then let's talk about all the civilians that would need to be involved. As WacoFan pointed out, rigging the Twin Towers with explosives would be no small feat and would take some time. You got how many people to turn a blind eye to it? Not one person has stepped forward and claimed to have seen a bunch of people rigging the towers with demolition?
Personally I think a great many involved in these theories are racist, but I guess I should not be too surprised as we still have people who believe the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and I remember seeing many copies of that trash floating around being read by officers from the Middle East when I did my UN assignment. I remember Russian soldiers I worked with who blamed all their problems on the Jews- I just asked them this time not to kill any of them this time but to send them to the US.
 
Something I find interesting is how the 9/11 rescue workers are not allowed to the 10 year anniversary ceremony. Supposedly well over half of the rescue workers are still seeking the truth about 9/11. I also heard that there is a 9/11 conspiracy debunking blitz being prepared. Look in your upcoming TV guide for a nice spread on debunking the 9/11 conspiracies.

My own personal opinion about 9/11: Something just isn't right with the official explanation.
 
Blackhawk said:
I guess I also find such theories insulting as a retired member of the military. The idea that you would get that many members of the military and intelligence community to go along with something like that to begin with borders on fantasy and displays total ignorance of the culture of the United States. After all, our military is really a civilian military with most officers coming from civilian universities where they received liberal educations (though granted we were able to overcome that handicap). But let's suspend reality for a moment and say you got hundreds of members of the military and intelligence community to dump all their moral upbringing and go along with such an act. In ten years not one person has stepped forward with pangs of guilt and admitted involvement? Then let's talk about all the civilians that would need to be involved. As WacoFan pointed out, rigging the Twin Towers with explosives would be no small feat and would take some time. You got how many people to turn a blind eye to it? Not one person has stepped forward and claimed to have seen a bunch of people rigging the towers with demolition?
Personally I think a great many involved in these theories are racist, but I guess I should not be too surprised as we still have people who believe the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and I remember seeing many copies of that trash floating around being read by officers from the Middle East when I did my UN assignment. I remember Russian soldiers I worked with who blamed all their problems on the Jews- I just asked them this time not to kill any of them this time but to send them to the US.
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So someone who doesn't believe a govt explanation are racist. Wow, that is one mega super far leap to make there.
 
pullup said:
So someone who doesn't believe a govt explanation are racist. Wow, that is one mega super far leap to make there.
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Thanks for saying that pullup. I really wanted to comment on that, but decided against it. As well as OTHER comments.
 
There was a cover-up on 9/11...when they show Bush in that classroom, he wasn't reading to the kids, they were helping him learn to read. Ba dum bum!

Anyway, even though I find it odd that both towers collapsed straight down, it belies any form of logic to assume any government capable of the functionality required to continue such a conspiracy. Plan and execute the hijackings and crashes, yes. Keep a massive conspiracy quiet, no. Because in every organization there are countless nephews, son-in-laws, and various other neputized idiots. Somebody would get drunk and mouthy, someone would have to brag, someone would be just too stupid to keep their mouth shut.

Oh, and...

Chemtrails...because all the good crazy was taken.
 
inventor said:
Anyway, even though I find it odd that both towers collapsed straight down, it belies any form of logic to assume any government capable of the functionality required to continue such a conspiracy. Plan and execute the hijackings and crashes, yes. Keep a massive conspiracy quiet, no. Because in every organization there are countless nephews, son-in-laws, and various other neputized idiots. Somebody would get drunk and mouthy, someone would have to brag, someone would be just too d@%& stupid to keep their mouth shut.

Oh, and...

Chemtrails...because all the good crazy was taken.
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Not directed at you, inventor, just using your quote as an example.

Well, I don't think they did a very good job of covering up whatever really happened because otherwise millions of people wouldn't question it. I don't claim to know what really happened, but I can see that the official version is full of holes. For all you people that think the government couldn't do "something" like that and keep it a secret with thousands of people knowing about it and pulling it off...REALLY? Let's see, it took thousands of people to develop the Atom bomb and they kept it a secret, it took thousands of people to develop the stealth aircraft we have and they kept it a secret...hmmm, you don't think they could pull off something like 9/11 and keep it a secret? Now I'm not saying they orchestrated the whole thing. But, like I already said, the story is full of holes. There's been at least a couple documentaries made about it that bring up several good points (and some really far fetched points too). Personally, I don't think there's any way we are being told the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Whoever said the government wouldn't do that because they have morals...:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:



Oh yeah every airplane crash picture I have ever seen has at least one recognizable airplane part laying around somewhere. But all the parts of the plane the hit the Pentagon just evaporated into thin air, right? Yeah, ok..

Show me a picture of an airplane part they got out of the Pentagon.

Also, I don't believe in chemtrails. ;)
 
So I'm supposed to believe that two administrations, incapable of balancing a budget, or for that matter, even do their job competantly, and an Intelligence service, incapable of assassinating a third world despot, are capable of Machevialian scheming on a magnitude that encompasses thousands? Not to mention that not one person ratted it out? In a town as leaky as Washington DC? Hell, even the Pentagon is a sieve.
 
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