UND Seminole Crash from Oct. 07

Schinpop said:
Kinetic energy is 1/2 * M * V^2, so that small object (bird) can do even more damage than you might think. Momentum is M*V.

Look for birds, and avoid them...
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right. that. I had to get rid of college physics to make room for Fundamentals of Instructing. Only so many neurons in the brain.
 
juxtapilot said:
I wonder when the NTSB's final report will come out...
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Who knows...I would expect at least a year or more from the date of the accident, but it wouldn't surprise me if it took longer than that.


juxtapilot said:
I had NO idea a goose could do that much damage to an aircraft.
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Saw what a duck did to the wing of an Aztec years back. Somehow managed to hit where the skin overlapped at the leading edge and opened a gash all the way back to the spar. At the time, the airplane was being used to spray rice fields for a mosquito abatement program (they were flying about 75 AGL). I knew the pilot and he said the airplane yawed violently and he didn't get it straightened out until he was about 25 AGL. He said all of this happened in just a few seconds, really scared him. Point is, if that is what a duck does to an Aztec, I can just imagine what a larger bird on a smaller airplane would do...scary.
 
i believe it. i had to do some seriously evasive flying with the decathlon yesterday as the tower called out a 2 mile long flock in front of us...which looked a lot more like "all around us" than just in front of us.

those geese can be up to 15 pounds.... think about hitting a bowling ball at 130kts....
 
TXaviator said:
i believe it. i had to do some seriously evasive flying with the decathlon yesterday as the tower called out a 2 mile long flock in front of us...which looked a lot more like "all around us" than just in front of us.

those geese can be up to 15 pounds.... think about hitting a bowling ball at 130kts....
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I believe it; I've done loops to avoid birds. The damage that can be done is not to play around with, especially if it hits near the elevators. The wing is pretty big and any impact probably won't reach the trailing edge but the elevator is a different story. I've seen pics on airliners.net where the birds have hit the jet so hard they come in through the vents and into the flight deck.
 
Schinpop said:
Kinetic energy is 1/2 * M * V^2, so that small object (bird) can do even more damage than you might think. Momentum is M*V.

Look for birds, and avoid them...
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An 8 ox sparrow will cause 2 TONS of impact at 90 knots. Imagine a 6 lb bird at 120....
 
stuckingfk said:
Really? What state are you from?

Maybe some states don't allow the the hunting of "honkers," but in ND, it's blast away.
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I thought they were protected, so we aren't technically supposed to kill them, but I could be wrong or behind on what I'm allowed to kill and what I'm not. I don't hunt, so I don't keep up with all of that.

I can only imagine how much worse ND has it...
 
man thats sad.

I couldn't imagine being that plane.

condolonces to the families.

that being said, birds in the air scare the poop outta me.
 
Scandinavian13 said:
I thought they were protected, so we aren't technically supposed to kill them, but I could be wrong or behind on what I'm allowed to kill and what I'm not. I don't hunt, so I don't keep up with all of that.

I can only imagine how much worse ND has it...
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not protected

Nothing is better than blasting away at geese when they're 10 feet away.
 
Anyone have a link to the UND aircraft? It'd be interesting to see the kind of damage...probably a good visual aid for when I'm a CFI...(sad as the situation is though...)
 
Bird strikes have been an increasing concern of mine whenever I fly. Lately we have had large amounts of birds around our airport.

Last year a bird went through the windshield of our Beechcraft Duchess. Luckily the pilot wasn't hurt but it was a rather large bird.
 
E6BAV8R said:
Last year a bird went through the windshield of our Beechcraft Duchess. Luckily the pilot wasn't hurt but it was a rather large bird.
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Saw the results of where a bird went through the windshield of a DC-3. Hit the pilot in the chest. Just about knocked the pilot out...no injuries though, other than a bruise. Airplane looked nasty though... blood and feathers everywhere on the left side of the cockpit.
 
I just flew an Arrow that had both wings replaced when it hit five geese late last year in the Chicago area. Luckily the stabilator was not struck and the pilot landed without further incident.
 
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