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MikeD said:
Happens often with people seeing developmental aircraft and mistaking them for something alien. They're UFOs yes, insofar a they're unknown and flying, but they're not UFOs in the 'classic' sense of the definition. Does make one wonder what we do have flying in black programs these days, considering what we had flying in these same programs 30+ years ago.
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I was just excited to see something so different. When my dad started telling me about Aurora (or at least classified stuff) I never though 'UFO', just how cool it was to see something like that in my lifetime. As for what's flying now that we don't know about....it's gotta be some amazing tech
 
It kind of reminds me of the opening scene of the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977). While an interesting scene, there is a blooper here. The scene opens with the label of "Air Traffic Control, Indianapolis Center" [Indy ARTCC]. However, at 2:18, when the controller calls on the landline to the "45th Recon Wing", he asks the controller there "this is Indianapolis Center, do you have any test operations in Restricted Area 2508?" Problem is, R-2508 is in California, north of the former-George AFB and, within and north of Ft Irwin. This is well outside the area of responsibility of Indianapolis ARTCC!

In reality, this scene was filmed at the Los Angeles ARTCC in Palmdale, Ca; and the blooper was never corrected.

What is cool, is that the "Air East" airliner described, is shown as a former Delta Airlines CV-880 in the film, seen taxiing to park and being met by FBI agents; in scenes that were unfortunately later cut from the final film.

 
I had a pretty cool experience with a primary target following me once. ATC was going crazy with traffic alerts.
I did a few 180s, 360s and flew every which way and couldn't see it but the target was always behind me.
Decided i'd rather just land instead of mid-air with a yahoo.
 
Douglas said:
I had a pretty cool experience with a primary target following me once. ATC was going crazy with traffic alerts.
I did a few 180s, 360s and flew every which way and couldn't see it but the target was always behind me.
Decided i'd rather just land instead of mid-air with a yahoo.
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Yea, the same thing happened here years ago apparently when they first started using mosaic radar software, it was quickly corrected.

Basically the radar screen is being fed data from multiple radar sources all of which are compiled through a computer which in laymans terms produces a calculated estimate of the aircraft position by using an average of all the various radar returns, it's similar for SSR as well.

If the computer software isn't working properly, or configured correctly, or due to a fault it would be easily possible to have a "ghost" target on the screen.
 
MikeD If only your explanation would be made public it would at least silence the flare issue, as it seems to be the number one reason for most "Unexplained" UFO sightings.

The actual wedge over the city, it would be interesting to know what it was.

To those who ask about "Why would aliens use lights?" Maybe they're not lights, they could be an energy source which produces light as a byproduct, not unlike the exhaust on our various engines.

If there were "Visitors" we have no idea what sort of energy technology they would have, keep in mind, as a race we've been around for a few thousand years, and the universe has been around for 13.75 billion years, imagine a society that is even just double our age... our triple, or even a million or billion years old.

To think that in the unlimited expanse of the universe there's not thousands of other civilizations is pretty naive, not to mention the fact that many of them are probably so far advanced it would be beyond our comprehension.

All of that being said, if they're going to "visit" us, I kinda wish they would do it in my lifetime... just because it's neat :)
 
Just decided to do some digging, seeing as it's the end of world and all, thought I'd throw this post out there I found, to drive people nuts:

There are only eight days left until the end of the world. And guess who is taking note? Aliens.
Over the past few weeks there has been a drastic increase in the number of UFOs reported by people around the world.
Here in the U.S., a fireball passed over Texas last week, while an unidentified object hovered over San Francisco. That was quickly followed by a series of UFOs sighted over Brooklyn, New York. Denver has also been reported a mysterious flying object showing up on a daily basis.
Are the sightings actual aliens, or just end of the world hype? Given the widespread sightings, we’re not immediately dismissing the alien theories.
 
My thoughts: In the entire huge, enormity and vastness of space, how could we possibly think we're the only "thinking" life forms out there? Maybe others don't look like us (bi-pedal, upright-walking), maybe they don't act like us (oxygen breathing, requiring respiration), but they're out there. Do they care about us? Possibly, but if an alien species has come all the way here, we'd be mere curiosities to them. "Oh, look at the primitive little fossil-fuel burning society! How quaint!" Or, if they're hostiles, we would be eliminated quite swiftly.

I do not doubt the stories of people who have "seen things". Certainly they have. Exactly WHAT they have seen, who knows. For example the America West crew that MikeD referenced. I think there is very, very often a man-made or earth-made reason for a lot of what is "seen", but perhaps not always.

I'm not going to lose sleep over whether or not there may be alien ships observing us right now. If there are other alien species, I think it would be incredibly interesting to hear what they'd have to say. But sadly, the paranoia and fear of "the unknown" that is ingrained in the human race would probably chase any reasonable race away.
 
MQAAord said:
My thoughts: In the entire huge, enormity and vastness of space, how could we possibly think we're the only "thinking" life forms out there? Maybe others don't look like us (bi-pedal, upright-walking), maybe they don't act like us (oxygen breathing, requiring respiration), but they're out there. Do they care about us? Possibly, but if an alien species has come all the way here, we'd be mere curiosities to them. "Oh, look at the primitive little fossil-fuel burning society! How quaint!" Or, if they're hostiles, we would be eliminated quite swiftly.

I do not doubt the stories of people who have "seen things". Certainly they have. Exactly WHAT they have seen, who knows. For example the America West crew that MikeD referenced. I think there is very, very often a man-made or earth-made reason for a lot of what is "seen", but perhaps not always.

I'm not going to lose sleep over whether or not there may be alien ships observing us right now. If there are other alien species, I think it would be incredibly interesting to hear what they'd have to say. But sadly, the paranoia and fear of "the unknown" that is ingrained in the human race would probably chase any reasonable race away.
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canadian_atc said:
MikeD If only your explanation would be made public it would at least silence the flare issue, as it seems to be the number one reason for most "Unexplained" UFO sightings.
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Mike's explanation on the flares has been made public. A long time ago.

The actual wedge over the city, it would be interesting to know what it was.
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It's just far too coincidental for me to take the "wedge" sightings seriously. Think about it. On a night when a series of military flares are spotted and believed by many to be a giant UFO (or a series of UFOs), there just so happens to also be a big wedge-shaped UFO flying around the same area? Nope, I don't buy a coincidence like that. This seems to me to be nothing more than some people who saw some airplanes flying overhead in formation confusing it as a "wedge-shaped craft." Various types of visual illusions could have caused this. When these people also heard about the lights behind the mountain range, their imaginations went wild. The most credible witness of the supposed "wedge shape" was an amateur astronomer who was observing them with a relatively strong telescope. He said that they were clearly a formation of aircraft. But he gets no attention by the UFO media, because he doesn't support their hysteria.

To those who ask about "Why would aliens use lights?" Maybe they're not lights, they could be an energy source which produces light as a byproduct, not unlike the exhaust on our various engines.
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Seems awfully convenient to me. And why are there so many different shapes of craft with so many different kinds of lights? We have saucers, cigars, fireballs, fireballs with tails, wobbling discs, and the list goes on. Am I expected to believe that one race visiting us has all of these different kinds of crafts with all of these different kinds of lights to make them visible? And if the lights are to be explained as propulsion, then all of these different looking craft have different kinds of propulsion systems? Or alternatively, if the argument is that the different kinds of crafts are from different alien cultures, then I'm supposed to believe that dozens of different alien cultures are all zipping around our lower atmosphere without making themselves known? Sorry, both explanations are just too crazy.

To think that in the unlimited expanse of the universe there's not thousands of other civilizations is pretty naive, not to mention the fact that many of them are probably so far advanced it would be beyond our comprehension.
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I don't think it's naive at all. First, there are two different ideas here. One is that we are actually alone in the universe, and the other is that we aren't alone but aliens aren't visiting us (and possibly aren't capable of visiting us). I really don't know which of those arguments I believe. I kind of go back and forth. With all of the things that have to come together just perfectly for life to not only exist on a planet, but to also thrive to the point of evolving to an intelligent form over millions or billions of years, I don't think it's at all unlikely that we may just be a giant cosmic accident that can't be duplicated. On the other hand, if there is other life out there, I think it's incredibly unlikely that they would be able to reach us. From all that we know of science so far (and I acknowledge that that is limited), it doesn't seem possible that faster-than-light travel is viable in any useful form. I think it's possible that other life exists, but it just isn't capable of reaching us, even if they cared to.

All of that being said, if they're going to "visit" us, I kinda wish they would do it in my lifetime... just because it's neat :)
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Eh, I tend to side with Stephen Hawking on this one. Intelligent life would likely have the same faults as a species that we have. Violence, looking down on "lower lifeforms," a propensity to covet resources, etc. Any alien species that came here would probably not be interested in merely zipping around our atmosphere and taking pictures of us. They'd probably have far more nefarious purposes. And a race capable of reaching us would have technology (weapons) so far beyond our understanding that we would be completely powerless to defend ourselves. Independence Day may make a pretty cool 4th of July blockbuster, but it ain't reality. We would be toast in a nanosecond if a violent advanced species wanted us to be.

I think we should listen to Hawking: stop trying to find alien life, and definitely stop trying to send signals to them if they exist. It probably wouldn't turn out well for us if they found us. Don't be the dog that actually catches the car.
 
SeanD said:
Although, UFO vids are neat on occasion, I will never understand why a superior species from another planet would use halogen bulbs on a space craft, or lights for that matter. "Hey look at us, shoot us down" Just sayin
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Well, if they are arrogant a species as we are, they are lights to illuminate the wild animals in their natural habitat so they can be streamed live back to their home planet for their enjoyment.
 
There are a few good UFO cases out there like Rendelsham Forest and so forth that have yet to be explained. While there is hardly enough proof so that we can claim as fact that extraterrestrials have visited the Earth, they are intriguing nonetheless. I have to say for myself that I'm somewhat interested in UFO stuff dealing with aviation. This one here below simply spooks me out.




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MikeD said:
Maybe the biggest proof that aliens do exist, is that they haven't bothered to visit us. :)
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I wouldn't blame them. Any life form sufficiently advanced would have no reason to visit this planet. Would you waste the resources necessary to travel halfway around the world, just to watch monkeys throw poo at each other? I wouldn't.

I've noticed in this thread how ignorant of physics most people are when it comes to the discussion of extraterrestrial life, and the possibility of them visiting us. I'm not a genius by any stretch of the imagination, but when you consider the size of this galaxy ALONE, let alone the billions of others that exist, then it's really no wonder we haven't heard anything from ET.

Consider that there is some super-advanced civilization on the opposite side of the Milky Way Galaxy (roughly 100,000 light years away). Let's also consider that this civilization has had the ability to construct spacecraft that can travel AT the speed of light for the past 90,000 years (which is quite a long time). If they sent a spacecraft to our planet 90,000 years ago, it would still have 10,000 years of travelling left to accomplish before arrive here on earth. It's no wonder we haven't heard anything, or seen anything. And when you consider that the distances involved in inter-galactic travel are even larger, it is easy to see why we may never have personal contact with any intelligent extraterrestrial life.

Now personally, I believe that the universe is teeming with life, probably a lot of intelligent life as well. When you consider how many planets we have already found that reside in the habitable zones of their respective stars, and just how vast the universe is, I think the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of life existing outside of this planet.

Finally, I think anybody interested in the feasibility of interstellar travel should read about the special theory of relativity and, more specifically, time dilation as one approaches the speed of light. It's absolutely fascinating to me (even though the math goes WAY over my head) and it's not at all science fiction. It's a 100% real phenomenon.
 
I definitely lean more to the skeptical side. However, whether there's other life or not, I've always thought these things were interesting, mainly pilot/military accounts when they have credibility and have audio from the actual event. I saw this recently and it kind of stuck with me, didn't look into the backstory all though. It sounds real to me, not overly dramatized, although I'm not familiar at all with military radio talk etc... Anyway:

 
I have never experienced anything that I can remember. Whether or not all of the strage abnormalities we have seen/captured in the air are aliens will remain to be seen. What is the most freaky to me, is watching Janet 737s take off out of KLAS whenever I am there. You know they are flying to Area 51, where a lot of this stuff probably comes from. I think there is a large percentage, or perhaps 100% of the stuff we are seeing is our own technology. I do believe there is other life in the universe, I just fail to be conceded enough to think they would come here to watch us eat Funyuns donuts.
 
FoodStampsPilot said:
There are a few good UFO cases out there like Rendelsham Forest and so forth that have yet to be explained. While there is hardly enough proof so that we can claim as fact that extraterrestrials have visited the Earth, they are intriguing nonetheless. I have to say for myself that I'm somewhat interested in UFO stuff dealing with aviation. This one here below simply spooks me out.




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The Valentich case has far too many suspicious elements to be taken seriously. Mr. Valentich and his family were UFO enthusiasts. They had claimed to have previously seen another UFO, even. Mr. Valentich had even commented to his family that he had hoped that aliens would come to Earth. Combine this with the fact that there was an unidentified general aviation aircraft confirmed to have landed at an airport very close to the supposed disappearance, it seems clear to me that Mr. Valentich was intent on becoming one of the UFO legends that he loved so much to read and dream about. In other words, he staged his disappearance and made it sound as though he were abducted or destroyed by an alien craft. And as the authorities said at the time, it's awfully convenient than no other people had reported seeing a UFO that night until after it had already been reported that Mr. Valentich had disappeared and claimed to have seen something that wasn't an aircraft.

But even if you don't believe the staged disappearance theory, then another theory is far more likely than a UFO. The records show that Mr. Valentich was an astonishingly poor pilot. This guy would have made the hall of fame of crappy pilots. He had failed every evaluation he had ever taken multiple times. You would have to look long and hard to find someone else who had such a horrendous record in training. It's quite likely that Mr. Valentich had flown inverted without realizing it due to few spatial clues that night. The engine trouble would be explained by this. The "UFO" that he saw could easily have been reflections of light off of the water surface. It even could have been the reflections of his own aircraft's lights.

Far more likely explanations here than aliens. As for me, I think the guy is probably still alive somewhere, loving the fact that he became a UFO legend.

On the Coyne case, I'm not very familiar with it, but just like all other cases, I'm sure there is a more likely explanation than little green men in a spacecraft.
 
Apophis said:
I've noticed in this thread how ignorant of physics most people are when it comes to the discussion of extraterrestrial life, and the possibility of them visiting us. I'm not a genius by any stretch of the imagination, but when you consider the size of this galaxy ALONE, let alone the billions of others that exist, then it's really no wonder we haven't heard anything from ET.

Consider that there is some super-advanced civilization on the opposite side of the Milky Way Galaxy (roughly 100,000 light years away). Let's also consider that this civilization has had the ability to construct spacecraft that can travel AT the speed of light for the past 90,000 years (which is quite a long time). If they sent a spacecraft to our planet 90,000 years ago, it would still have 10,000 years of travelling left to accomplish before arrive here on earth. It's no wonder we haven't heard anything, or seen anything. And when you consider that the distances involved in inter-galactic travel are even larger, it is easy to see why we may never have personal contact with any intelligent extraterrestrial life.
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Jeez, ever hear of a worm hole??? ;-}
 
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