U.S. Airways
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drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
Or Bob Hoover, what with his license revocation on his record.
And he did steal an airplane once, and ground looped it, bending metal...
SIUav8er
Narcosis
Oh really? why is that? i am sure if Yeager would have wanted an airline career, he could have had one. Imagine the PR it would have generated for the company that hired him! Kind of like Linbergh at Pan Am or Rickenbacker at Eastern, etc..
coa787
Unknown Member
Okay, I'll empathize. It's difficult to pick your way through sarcasm when you're in a serious search for something.
I'm just disappointed that most Legacies require a degree so that you can be more "competitive." Here I am, spending thousands of dollars on classes like Creative Writing and Introduction to Music just so that I can fly an airliner. I think that this is a waste because they could probably think of better ways to determine if a pilot is more competitive rather than requiring a degree in anything. If I got a degree in, say, cooking, I'd be more competitive for a position that has absolutely nothing to do with cooking.
Not everyone that has a degree gets hired, so they could probably put more emphasis on the qualities that do get people hired and toss the pointless degree requirement, ya know?
v1valarob
Well-Known Member
I'm pretty shocked at the amount of guys at 9L that are applying and really hoping to get on with Airways.
Doubtful.
Independent and cocksure make for an impressive air show and a heck of a test pilot...
HOWEVER, flying is a small facet of a multi-faceted profession.
I probably used my "mad skillz" maybe 30 minutes and the rest was customer service, crew coordination, problem solving and Angry Birds. And that was a 9 hour flight from Frankfurt.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Because he was an ass. Sure he was a greatly skilled stick, but he wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes in a CRM (even in those days) airline environment. There are TONS of stories about how absolutely nobody could get along with him.
pullup
Homewrecker
Noted.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
You're welcome. Anytime, in fact. I'd be happy to continue to offer you advice that you will completely disregard.
Like it or not having an undergraduate degree significantly broadens your career horizons, so...It's quite true you don't need one to operate an airplane, but having one will increase your odds of getting to operate said airplane.
A component of true professionalism is study and continuous self improvement, and academic studies can help build that.
It's remotely possible that legacies and other aviation employers do not necessarily want people who are "just" pilots. I would be disinterested in hiring anyone who isn't captain material and who couldn't, someday, have the chance to positively change the business itself.coa787 said:
Education, like it or not, broadens perspectives.
coa787
Unknown Member
This is true; however, I just can't wrap my head around the idea that a degree would instill those qualities in a person. What you learn is only as good as how much of it you're willing to remember and apply to life. I don't think that this comes from a degree, but from the individual.
For example, I enjoy looking through NTSB reports and watching those crash documentaries so that I can learn something that I will, hopefully, be able to apply to my professional flying career. I'm also interested in learning about what makes people "tick" so that I can better learn to deal with the human-related aspect of flying. I don't believe that I need a degree to attain this knowledge, but a person that half-asses a degree in geography and just "wants to fly a jet" will be more competitive than me should I choose not to pursue a degree.
The real problem lies in measuring these qualities in individuals. It's like trying to measure intelligence; you just can't do it (no, IQ tests do not measure intelligence
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SmitteyB
Well-Known Member
Try to follow, if at all possible...
Just because they don't, doesn't mean they don't.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
This is true; however, I just can't wrap my head around the idea that a degree would instill those qualities in a person. What you learn is only as good as how much of it you're willing to remember and apply to life. I don't think that this comes from a degree, but from the individual.
For example, I enjoy looking through NTSB reports and watching those crash documentaries so that I can learn something that I will, hopefully, be able to apply to my professional flying career. I'm also interested in learning about what makes people "tick" so that I can better learn to deal with the human-related aspect of flying. I don't believe that I need a degree to attain this knowledge, but a person that half-asses a degree in geography and just "wants to fly a jet" will be more competitive than me should I choose not to pursue a degree.
The real problem lies in measuring these qualities in individuals. It's like trying to measure intelligence; you just can't do it (no, IQ tests do not measure intelligence
Yep, I know that too. I didn't get anything out of education until I started putting lots into it. And I'd like to think I got a lot out of it.
I consider what you do - which is also what I do in my abundant free time - to be just as important as having a good education. I think my education has helped me get where I am today...it's all about what you put into it. I think perhaps they're also looking to see you put the effort in to completing something.
coa787
Unknown Member
That's the biggest reason for the requirement, I believe; it's the only one that actually makes some sense.
Education is important because we're setting it up to be this way. I don't deny that having a degree opens more doors for you, I just don't see why a degree needs to be a requirement to fly an airplane when the degree can be about anything. Sure, it may make you look a little more determined, but this assumes that this determination will be present in other aspects of your career, and this is simply not true.
If an actual degree has to be required, at least make it pertinent to your position. Degrees have the possibility of providing more career opportunities for you, and that's great, but they should not limit you from having a job that clearly doesn't need to require a degree.
What's next? Fifty years from now, if you don't have a degree, then you can't own a home?
"Well, you need to be a more educated home owner. We can't afford to have people like you burning their houses down because they're too stupid to understand what they're doing blah blah blah."
Come on....
1B9Pilot
Well-Known Member
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coa787
Unknown Member
This world is full of distractions, isn't it? Imagine if we were alive two thousand years ago. We'd probably be sitting around and doing more reflecting and thinking about the world because we've got nothing else to do.
Why do any thinking now when you've got laws that do the thinking for you and American Idol to occupy your time and stuff like that?
Matt13C
Well-Known Member
This is true; however, I just can't wrap my head around the idea that a degree would instill those qualities in a person. What you learn is only as good as how much of it you're willing to remember and apply to life. I don't think that this comes from a degree, but from the individual.
For example, I enjoy looking through NTSB reports and watching those crash documentaries so that I can learn something that I will, hopefully, be able to apply to my professional flying career. I'm also interested in learning about what makes people "tick" so that I can better learn to deal with the human-related aspect of flying. I don't believe that I need a degree to attain this knowledge, but a person that half-asses a degree in geography and just "wants to fly a jet" will be more competitive than me should I choose not to pursue a degree.
The real problem lies in measuring these qualities in individuals. It's like trying to measure intelligence; you just can't do it (no, IQ tests do not measure intelligence
Anyone can learn things that interest them, it takes some semblance of patience, dedication and perseverance to complete a college degree, even if it is an online degree. Not every class you take is enjoyable nor are they all easy.
Its not about remembering what you learned in college, its just knowing that you can be taught and remember information that may be dry and uninteresting.
KingAir
Well-Known Member
So, by your rationale, all of the major airline pilots currently flying in the industry today have college degrees.