Typed in the B-727

Orange Anchor said:
Don't know of any and can't find any sources but would imagine someone thought of putting two CFM56s on it. Of course, there was the Tay conversion.

Also there were a few efforts to make it a 2 man cockpit. Again, Valsan and one other company. One was a hodgepodge where most of the F/E panel was just moved to the front but another did a lot of things such as an automatic elect heirarchy (gpu, apu, engine gen automatically coming on line), bleeds dropping off for start and coming back on after start, etc. Neither made it to the market.
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I believe it was UPS or FEDEX that had a couple of 2 man converted aircraft that were automated and some stuff thrown on the overhead and forward panel. However, I believe they concluded it was cheaper just to pay the FE than convert the aircraft since it was going to be phased out.

Does anyone know if the Rolls Royce Tay's are superior to the JT8D's? As far as I know the only 727's with RR's are UPS'.

I wonder where DE727UPS is. He would be good for this topic....
 
Doug Taylor said:
I love talking about big old jets! ;)

I still have manuals from the 727, 737 (classic) and MD-88/90 so they're fun to pull out sometimes.
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Doug is there any way you could start a sub-forum area for talking about things that are just like this topic? Like people talking about their experiences on different types of aircraft... I started a thread a few months back asking if anyone had any cool stories about the L1011 but it never got a single reply. I just absolutely LOVE reading these stories about people flying the great birds. It is just amazing hearing these stories. My mentor flew every type that TWA had from 63-91 except for the 747 and I listened to him for literally days over the course of 12 semesters. Best conversations I ever had, and I just love reading them here too.

Doug could you recommend me any website to read such accounts i any other site has them in a good amount? thanks
 
Nah, I have no idea.

What would you call the forum topic though?

Me, if you have any questions about being a 727 panel jockey, ask away! :)

or the 737 classic, MD-88/90 or 757/767. Or even the Beech 1900, but my memories are fading, so ask fast! :)
 
Doug Taylor said:
Nah, I have no idea.

What would you call the forum topic though?

Me, if you have any questions about being a 727 panel jockey, ask away! :)

or the 737 classic, MD-88/90 or 757/767. Or even the Beech 1900, but my memories are fading, so ask fast! :)
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Um, let's see...

-What did they used to call those radio chats that one of our past presidents used to do when the radio was brand new? Fireside Chats?
-Equipment Stories
-I Flew That
-Memoirs of Old Iron
-Memoirs of Legacy Aircraft (could be for anyone's stories and experiences involving older generation aircraft)
-The Jets We Flew: An Area to Compare Experiences in the Front Office of the Great Airliners (my personal favorite)

WHatever the title, and assuming you'd actually make the forum topic, it would be needed for it to be made clear that the subforum is meant to be an arena for the pilots of jets to talk about their experiences while in the cockpit, ie: talking about individual aircraft types and different characteristics of them, good memories and stories, bad memories and stories, loves, hates, and everything in between. THere have been some threads over on the a.nut site with some former L1011 capains talking all abou the plane and it was my favorite thread on that site.

I feel as though there are enough jet pilots on here to fill up a subforum with their stories. MikeD and Orange Anchor or someone else were trading stories about the sabreliner in Bandit Pilot's 727 type rating thread and it owuld have been awesome to hear them expand on the stories. Also, people like me could have a dedicated form to ask questions about the planes and so they wouldn't be relegated to the second page within a day.

Anyhow, just thoughts and wishes. THanks for entertaining the idea.

Joseph
 
I'll kick the idea around.

"So there I was, had just started #3, we're on takeoff roll and I've still got essential power selected to the #1 generator..." :)
 
Here's one to keep filed in the memory banks for future need.

When I was a newbie S/O, I had a Captain who was convinced of his skills to the point that we ended up way into an arrival in MIA waaayy above a crossing altitude. His response was to pull all 3 back to fligth idle, pull the boards and commence a dive that would have made a Navy sub driver happy.

Needless to say, the cabin went nuts...which of course was my fault. The F/O turned sideways (towards the window) and said, "crack open the #2 bleed." Which we all know is a big no-no. But it worked and I was able to regain the cabin.

We were always taught to never open #2 because you had overheat detection, but no protection. What he later explained...and was correct...was that you would not have a overheat problem at idle...you just had to make sure to close it prior to spooling it back up.

The Captain had a reputation for being an . Even the schedulers tipped me off about him. He jumped my ass about the cabin on the ground, and I responded to him, "I'll make you a deal. You quit being an and pay attention to your crew and ATC about descents, and I'll keep your cabin in check." Regretted saying it as soon as the words left my mouth, but I was pissed.

Funny thing is that he backed off, apologised and we became best of friends.
 
A 2 engined 727 is probably an Airbus A300 - they fly plenty of cargo and still use an FE, PanAm still offers the training for an A300 FE at least.

I'd love to get to fly on a 727 (pilot wise - I flew on a TAME -100 to the Galapagos, that was fun being pax), but do they occupy a niche like other 'classic' aircraft - eg DC9 or 747-200 - which will be first to be replaced, there are still 727s with plenty of hours/cycles left...

Alex.
 
ahw01 said:
A 2 engined 727 is probably an Airbus A300 - they fly plenty of cargo and still use an FE, PanAm still offers the training for an A300 FE at least.


Alex.
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Lockheed and Douglas were asked by the airlines to come up with a TWIN engine wide-body and there were some paper airplanes. But none went to market. The US manufacturers went with tri-motors, DC-10 and L-1011 saying there was no real market or need for a wide body twin. Douglas called theirs the DC-X-200 which was supposed to have considerable commonality with the DC-10)

Airbus came up with the A-300 and when it came up with a deal with Eastern it was a game changer. Eastern leased the initial airplanes for essentially zilch including training and support. On the NY-FL, it was only a few minutes slower than the L-1011 but used much less fuel. And the A300 was the first real European sale in the US. The Caravelle was a good machine but ordered only by Capital (later merged into United) and the Viscount also ordered in small numbers.

Post Airbus A-300 we got the 767...
 
Bandit_Driver said:
OA thanks for the tips...Holy cow some of those are expensive. I wish the websites had better detail on what you are getting for the cash.
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Many of the military are copies of the Dash 1 or NATOPS. Civilian are copies of the airline manuals. They are quite good.

Before eflightmanuals got started there were manuals that showed up on ebay and I collected some originals. Then a Japanese fellow showed up on the board with lots of money and dominated the market. Original manuals are indeed pricey if you are talking late 40s through the 60s.

Still before I quit, I wound up with about 25-30 manuals including old stuff like the B-36, B-58, F and RF-101, RF-4, etc. Usually you can get a CD or paper. For the cost, not a bad resource if you are interested in a specific machine.
 
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