Type 1 Diabetic Pilots for Equality

I really really REALLY wanted to fly F/A-18's in the Navy when I was in high school. Cat shots, carrier landings, hell, I was even ok with being based at Lemoore NAS because I come from the San Joaquin Valley.

When I found out that I had a snowballs chance of flying in the military because of eyesight, I didn't even feel like going to school anymore and wanted to crawl under the bed for a year.

But, adjusted my career path and dove into another aviation field and never looked back. Yes, I would club a delicious baby harp seal to fly an F/A-18 (or any other fighter jet), but it wasn't to be and I kept moving.
I wanted to fly fighters, but then I realized I was a pacifist. Unable to live with the non-sequitor, I decided to fly airliners instead.

If I lose my medical, I'm going to go into the safety/investigation end of things. Or possibly get out of aviation, but it's kinda hard to stay away.
 
I really really REALLY wanted to fly F/A-18's in the Navy when I was in high school. Cat shots, carrier landings, hell, I was even ok with being based at Lemoore NAS because I come from the San Joaquin Valley.

When I found out that I had a snowballs chance of flying in the military because of eyesight, I didn't even feel like going to school anymore and wanted to crawl under the bed for a year.

But, adjusted my career path and dove into another aviation field and never looked back. Yes, I would club a delicious baby harp seal to fly an F/A-18 (or any other fighter jet), but it wasn't to be and I kept moving.

....and then he ran into me at PRC 22 years ago, and everything went to hell.
 
Yeah, when I read the thread title I see "Armless Tennis Players for Equality."



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I really really REALLY wanted to fly F/A-18's in the Navy when I was in high school. Cat shots, carrier landings, hell, I was even ok with being based at Lemoore NAS because I come from the San Joaquin Valley.

When I found out that I had a snowballs chance of flying in the military because of eyesight, I didn't even feel like going to school anymore and wanted to crawl under the bed for a year.

But, adjusted my career path and dove into another aviation field and never looked back. Yes, I would club a delicious baby harp seal to fly an F/A-18 (or any other fighter jet), but it wasn't to be and I kept moving.

Same here...

Heck the 727 even handles like an F-18 with the speed brakes 1/2 extended. ;) :sarcasm:
 
This is why you can't get an ATP before age 23. Because teenagers generally don't have the maturity to realize when they are being, well, immature.

Not everyone gets to be an astronaut, kid. The FAA and airlines have medical standards for a reason. The FAA doesn't want an unhealthy pilot at the controls, and the airlines don't want someone who is going to cost them more money than he makes them. Despite how well you think you feel, you're not healthy. You're body does not function the way it should. Yes, you potentially could fly an entire career without ever having a problem, but that's not the way I'd bet.

There is a lot of freedom in acceptance. Accept that this path is closed to you, and find another. Believe it or not, there ARE other things out there that you will find of interest it. You just have to allow yourself to consider other paths. Good luck to you

I couldn't agree more. In fact I would advocate making the medical standards for pilots much higher.

I just spent 4+ a day on the bike. When I pull a 14hr duty day I'm laughing. The other pilots are usually hurting so bad. The ones that are out of shape are negative, visibly tired, and grumpy to the point of being snippy with ground crew. This is when I catch mistakes. I'm there to catch mistakes and i will do it with a smile and a reassuring comment about how we need to look after each other. However I'm entitled to wish I was flying with a dude that could keep up with me on the bike or hiking with a sixty pound pack in the sierras. Not someone with a waiver for high blood pressure that eats chicken fried steak for breakfast.

Personally I'm sick of flying with these guys. I'm loading bags every leg and listening to negativity. Just give me my time off and some good weather. I will pull 8 days of 14hr duty. No worries.

It would create a lot of opportunity if the medical standards were fixed. And there were guys on todays ride kicking ass over age 50 BTW.
 
I couldn't agree more. In fact I would advocate making the medical standards for pilots much higher.

I just spent 4+ a day on the bike. When I pull a 14hr duty day I'm laughing. The other pilots are usually hurting so bad. The ones that are out of shape are negative, visibly tired, and grumpy to the point of being snippy with ground crew. This is when I catch mistakes. I'm there to catch mistakes and i will do it with a smile and a reassuring comment about how we need to look after each other. However I'm entitled to wish I was flying with a dude that could keep up with me on the bike or hiking with a sixty pound pack in the sierras. Not someone with a waiver for high blood pressure that eats chicken fried steak for breakfast.

Personally I'm sick of flying with these guys. I'm loading bags every leg and listening to negativity. Just give me my time off and some good weather. I will pull 8 days of 14hr duty. No worries.

It would create a lot of opportunity if the medical standards were fixed. And there were guys on todays ride kicking ass over age 50 BTW.

Be careful what you wish for, you may one day find yourself on the other side of a health issue or just not be able to what you did when you were younger. Trust me the "reassuring comment about how we need to look after each other" would get old and sounds condecending, IMO. I have yet to find a pilot that has flown the perfect flight yet.
 
Type 1 or 2? Biiiiiiiiiiiig difference.
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[h=2]Pilot hid syringes[/h]Crews had been flying planes for different companies, including cargo and passenger airlines, for more than 10 years, federal pubic defender Oscar Cruz Jr. said in court papers. He was once named Employee of the Year at Cape Air.
He was also promoted by the company to lead pilot of Caribbean operations, court documents say.


During his entire flying career, he was coping with diabetes. Diagnosed in 1984, the disease worsened and he became insulin-dependent in the early 1990s.


Rather than lose the career he loved, he hid his condition, according to court records. Beginning in 2000, he repeatedly lied on FAA medical certification forms about suffering unexpected fainting spells, dizziness and seizures that sometimes sent him to the hospital. He also lied about needing to take insulin.


Instead, Crews continued to fly — hundreds of times — and hid syringes and insulin in a Tupperware container in his lunch box.


In addition to the crash landing, at least two other Cape Air incidents have been linked to Crews' medical condition, court documents say.


In 2000, Crews lost his pilot-in-command status when he got sick during a Cape Air mail run flight. In May 2001, he was about to take off from Providence to Martha's Vineyard when an air traffic controller noticed problems with his speech and performance and cancelled the flight. Crews was grounded after that incident but regained medical clearance to fly, according to Times archives.


On Feb. 8, 2002, Crews had already piloted 12 flights.
"He acknowledges that he pushed himself too far physically ... and that the resulting accident caused his passengers to endure a significant level of anxiety and fear," defense documents say.

 
"Crews ignored a flashing red light and beeping alarm on board the twin-engine Cessna he was flying".... Wonder what that was? Red light labeled EAT SNICKERS ?

I also find humor that The crews name was Crews, and his lawyers name was Cruz. "Cruz argued that Crews should receive three years probation,...."
But maybe I just need to get to bed.
 
Oh, FFS. Diabetics, at this point in Medical History, shouldn't be flying airplanes. What's so hard about saying that? I'm 5'10 and 155lbs soaking wet. I was never going to play in the NBA or the NFL. Now, it turns out I never really wanted to, but one's personal desires are precisely not the point. I'm also not going to be President, or an Astronaut, or a Unicorn (and damn it, I really wanted to be a Unicorn). If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times (and you've all suffered through every single one of those thousand, I know): If you think that the only thing that could possibly ever be in any way rewarding to you is to operate an aviation-appliance, you desperately need to reconsider how you find fulfillment in life. If I weren't able to do this flying crap, there's a list as long as my arm of other things I would find fascinating and rewarding. If you're going to be upset and wave your fist at God, be upset that you don't get to do them all, not that you don't get to do one.
 
Be careful what you wish for, you may one day find yourself on the other side of a health issue or just not be able to what you did when you were younger. Trust me the "reassuring comment about how we need to look after each other" would get old and sounds condecending, IMO. I have yet to find a pilot that has flown the perfect flight yet.

Meh, see you on the other side dude. I'll still be having fun. Likely will be really fit too.

Wednesday: 3 hrs road ride - way too hard big group.
Thursday: 4 hr mtb loads of single track.
Friday: 1.5 hr rest day
Saturday: 4+ hr mtb with the bros - and drunken dodgeball party
Sunday: 2.5 hrs roadie mellow day didn't want to sit inside on a nice sunny day
Monday: big mtb planned for 7am

We need a higher standard because the 50+ crowd was kicking my ass on Saturday. I wish those guys were PIC not mr chicken fried steak.

"nice landing btw"
 
It's not going to be easy, and be prepared to accept the fact you will most likely fail and have to resort to another career choice. Though it may be frustrating, and I'd love to tell you "ignore the haters", take the negativity into consideration as it does have foundation. That being said, I really do wish you the best of luck, and it is possible, all a matter of saying the right things, to the right people, at the right time, and always with more than enough evidence to back up all of your findings, and then some. There is a first for everything, and every movement needs a leader. Just remember it is the real world, and nobody owes you anything, be ready to fight, not to negotiate.
 
Is your type1 certain? Can you change it?

What I mean - I know of 2 people who changed their diabetes type. An aquaintance went from insulin (type 1) to the type requiring only pills (type 2 is medication only, correct?).

The other was type 2 (my dad, spent his last 5 years at USAir taking diabetes medication) and, in retirement, was able to go to type 3 that didn't require any medication.

Both people did this with vigorous exercise and diet modification. My dad also cut his smoking by about 90% and is also into natrual supplements, who knows if they helped or not.

My point is, maybe you could get to a lesser diabetes type with diet/exercise/lifestyle and get a first class medical. Even type 2 pilots (the type that requires medication) can get a first class medical, and fly for the airlines if that's your dream.

If you're stuck with insulin and type 1, as others have pointed out, there are many other fields in aviation - and so much more outside of the flying world.
 
Meh, see you on the other side dude. I'll still be having fun. Likely will be really fit too.

Wednesday: 3 hrs road ride - way too hard big group.
Thursday: 4 hr mtb loads of single track.
Friday: 1.5 hr rest day
Saturday: 4+ hr mtb with the bros - and drunken dodgeball party
Sunday: 2.5 hrs roadie mellow day didn't want to sit inside on a nice sunny day
Monday: big mtb planned for 7am

We need a higher standard because the 50+ crowd was kicking my ass on Saturday. I wish those guys were PIC not mr chicken fried steak.

"nice landing btw"

Fall off your bike and get some strange spinal condition and you're screwed if we had to adhere to your medical standards. I'm all for working with people on a case by case basis. BTW, I don't eat chicken fried steak for breakfast. I'm 6' 3" and 165 lbs.
 
To the OP, I sympathize, and I agree that many of the medical standards are ridiculous, arbitrary, and outdated. I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to operate an aircraft in a crewed environment. The idea that they'll let you have a third class, allowing you to fly alone, but refuse to allow you a second or first class, usually used to operate with another pilot, is indicative of the ridiculous thought process of the FAA.

But, I don't think you'll see them change it. The FAA's general policy is to not change the regulations unless the change is thought to increase safety, or at the very least keep it unchanged. In this case, there is a big uphill battle to climb to convince other people that safety would be completely unchanged, as you can see from the responses from many people in this thread (as ridiculous as it may be).

Look, I know what's it like to think that flying airplanes is the only thing that you'd ever be happy doing. That's the way I was when I was a teenager. But after more than a decade of flying airplanes professionally, here's what I have to tell you: flying airplanes for a living is a job. It's a pretty good job in some cases, but it's still a job. After a few years, the luster mostly wears off, and you just care about bidding for the most time off or the most pay, and the flying is little more than a way to earn a pay check. I know that seems impossible for you to imagine right now, just as it would have for me if somebody had told me that when I was a teenager, but it's reality. Don't feel like your life is over simply because you can't earn a living doing this. It's really not as great as you imagine it to be. Trust me. Not to say that it isn't a great career (because it is), but there are plenty of great careers. I'm confident that you'll find something else that you will be equally happy doing for a living. And with a third class medical, you can still go fly for fun.

Good luck to you, and I'm sorry that this is the situation you find yourself in.
 
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