Took the tour yesterday....random thoughts...

[TonyC]

im really not sure what you were getting at with the rest of your rant.

we merely advised the quick route to demonstrating legal residency here.

OK, I'll condense it.

You have to be a resident 6 months to obtain a resident hunting or fishing license.


Getting a ND Driver's license is not an option if you drive.


Living there without assuming the responsibilities of residents, just so you can go to college, doesn't make you a legal resident.


It's against the law to make false statements in a residency application.





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[TonyC]

you can get out of state licenses

And the point of that would be _______ ?


The right of a ND resident is to get a resident hunting/fishing license after 6 months of residency.






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[AngelFuree]

Tony,

Normally, I like reading your posts 'cause they're usually informative/relevant. That post, however.....I have no idea why you created it. Weiiiird. What are you trying to argue here? Maybe THIS part would have been sufficient, if at all necessary:

NDCC Section 54-01-26 governs determination of legal residency. Legal residence must be based on an actual physical residence in North Dakota plus an intent to consider this state as a home and legal residence for a substantial period of time. Physical residence in the state for only the special or temporary purpose of attending an institution of higher education, without any assumption of the general responsibilities of legal residency, does not qualify one for legal residency. Nevertheless, a student attending a North Dakota institution of higher education is not precluded from proving legal residency simply because that is the student's primary or exclusive pursuit for a period of time. It is not necessary to show gainful employment or an off-campus residency to prove legal residency, although they may be helpful; what is more important is a showing that some of the significant responsibilities or rights of legal residency enumerated in subsection 4 have been assumed or exercised, or even more importantly, that they have not been countered during a period of legal residency claimed in North Dakota by express acts indicating a legal residency in another state. Generally, because making false statements in a residency application is a crime, an applicant's signature is sufficient guarantee that information in the application is accurate. However, university system employees may, at their discretion, require additional documentation.

What baffles me is that you're trying to prove something wrong...when in reality what you cite doesn't aid in your argument (whatever it maybe) whatsoever:

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Given the academic tradition of recess or vacation periods for holidays, between terms, and during the summer, a student's visits to other states during these periods are not indicative of a lack of legal residency in North Dakota; in fact; NDCC Section 54-01-26 expressly allows absences for "special or temporary purposes." A student's return from North Dakota to a former state of residence for a period of several months (such as an entire summer), however, when combined with the abandonment of a place of residency in this State indicates abandonment of legal residency in North Dakota. Proof of either the retention of a place of residence in North Dakota during the absence (e.g., by rent receipts), or of a special or temporary purpose for the absence, is required in the event of such a prolonged absence. For example, participation in an internship experience or an exchange program in a state of origin that was an acceptable part of the student's academic program at a North Dakota institution of higher education is considered a special or temporary purpose.​

What you bolded is COMPLETELY true. Reread the whole paragraph. It states if you leave the state (during break [e.g. summer break; three months]) to a state of previous (e.g. home state) residence, you lose ND residency. How so? Take a typical college student living in the dorms, for example. Upon reaching summer vacation, the student must abandon the dorms, the place of residency. He/she no longer lives in that same address, nor are they returning to the same address after the break which equals abandonment of the place of residency. There is no means of "keeping" that place of residency due to the the nature of how dorms work. The only way around this is if you hold an apartment, or stay here in the summer (which was the case for me staying here for the past three summers, unfortunately), otherwise, your ND residency is gone.

I don't drive a vehicle, I don't own a vehicle, yet I still needed to get a ND driver's permit/license before applying for local residency.
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What exactly is it that you are trying to argue here?

 

[JaceTheAce]

Tony, I'm not even going to waste my time going through quoting everything and refuting you one by one. Why are you even in here caring about this in the first place? You must have a lot of extra time on your hands.

 

[SteveC]

Well he does have a point.

In-state tuition rates are for people that live in North Dakota, and is subsidized by the taxpayers of North Dakota. It isn't fair for people that only go to North Dakota to go to school to receive that tuition rate. It is intended for residents, and students from out of state don't qualify.

If you're an out of stater and applying for in-state tuition....

 

[AngelFuree]

Well he does have a point.

In-state tuition rates are for people that live in North Dakota, and is subsidized by the taxpayers of North Dakota. It isn't fair for people that only go to North Dakota to go to school to receive that tuition rate. It is intended for residents, and students from out of state don't qualify.

If you're an out of stater and applying for in-state tuition....

...then they should clearly reject our residency applications.
There's nothing wrong w/ an out-of-state student getting in-state tuition.
That's their problem. Most of us students come to the university w/o clear future plans. For all you know, most aviation students end up teaching here indefinitely anyway.

and is subsidized by the taxpayers of North Dakota

??????
They'd be losing more money if I don't attend the University in the first place due inaffordability. They're not really losing money.

edit: Would it hurt you more to know I'm getting a tuition waiver for cultural diversity? You can start tearing up.

 

[JaceTheAce]

Well he does have a point.

In-state tuition rates are for people that live in North Dakota, and is subsidized by the taxpayers of North Dakota. It isn't fair for people that only go to North Dakota to go to school to receive that tuition rate. It is intended for residents, and students from out of state don't qualify.

If you're an out of stater and applying for in-state tuition....

Having to endure living in the state of North Dakota in itself warrants the reward of only paying in-state tuition.

I voted here in North Dakota for the presidential elections, I registered my car here with North Dakota plates, I dump in a #### load of my money into the local and state economy, I pay state taxes here, I pay sales tax everyday here, I pay a utility bill, I pay for a cable television service here, I pay rent here to an apartment complex, what more do you want of me to consider me as a North Dakota resident? I legitimately fulfilled the requirements of becoming a North Dakota resident and they approved me.

Said.

And.

Done.

 

[TXaviator]

Well he does have a point.

In-state tuition rates are for people that live in North Dakota, and is subsidized by the taxpayers of North Dakota. It isn't fair for people that only go to North Dakota to go to school to receive that tuition rate. It is intended for residents, and students from out of state don't qualify.

If you're an out of stater and applying for in-state tuition....

i pay taxes to this state.

i should get the benefits of such.

period.

 

[TonyC]

<sigh>

I'm sorry if I interefered with the club, guys. I noticed on the New Posts page that somebody had taken a tour, and had some random thoughts. As I read through the thread, I noticed that he was being given rather shady advice about how to save money by cheating the system, pretending to be a North Dakota resident.


I think that's bad advice.

What you bolded is COMPLETELY true. Reread the whole paragraph. It states if you leave the state (during break [e.g. summer break; three months]) to a state of previous (e.g. home state) residence, you lose ND residency. How so?

Gee, I don't know. You're going to have to take that up with the University of North Dakota -- THEY WROTE IT!

I don't drive a vehicle, I don't own a vehicle, yet I still needed to get a ND driver's permit/license before applying for local residency.

I'm sorry to hear that. It certainly is not what the University of North Dakota says on its website, as quoted above. I'm not enforcing the rules, I'm just reading them. You see, there isn't a 1-2-3 step process that you must complete to become a resident -- it's all about intent. Showing intent can be tricky. In fact, it's easier to prove lack of intent than it is to prove intent. You can register your car, buy a house, get your driver's license, get a resident hunting permit and resident fishing permit, and get married in North Dakota. If you then go back to Iowa to vote, I can demonstrate that you're not a resident. If somebody wanted to see a Driver's License to convince them you're a resident, I can understand their concern. It's a small price to pay for the tuition discount you get.







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[JaceTheAce]

edit: Would it hurt you more to know I'm getting a tuition waiver for cultural diversity? You can start tearing up.

Yeah. I sent my mother's birth certificate proving that she's Mexican last year but I sent it too late. I'm going to try again this year. All you need to be is 1/2 or 1/4 of a previously disadvantaged ethnicity. They invite you to apply for these things, it doesn't matter which state you come from.

 

[Tommay85]

i pay taxes to this state.

i should get the benefits of such.

period.

YES!

 

[TonyC]

There's nothing wrong w/ an out-of-state student getting in-state tuition.

Having to endure living in the state of North Dakota in itself warrants the reward of only paying in-state tuition.

i pay taxes to this state.

i should get the benefits of such.

period.

All of the above are patently false.


In-state tuition is for North Dakota residents. If you want to become a resident, LEGALLY, by all means, do. If you want to cheat the system, you're no better than the guy that pumps gas in his car and drives away from the station without paying. You may get away with it, and you may feel good about it, but it's wrong.

I voted here in North Dakota for the presidential elections, I registered my car here with North Dakota plates, I dump in a #### load of my money into the local and state economy, I pay state taxes here, I pay sales tax everyday here, I pay a utility bill, I pay for a cable television service here, I pay rent here to an apartment complex, what more do you want of me to consider me as a North Dakota resident? I legitimately fulfilled the requirements of becoming a North Dakota resident and they approved me.

vote - good
registered car - good
contribute to the economy, pay sales taxes - good, but irrelevant
pay rent - good

what more? Answer us honestly -- do you have a North Dakota Driver's License?






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[Ian_J]

Tony, I'm not even going to waste my time going through quoting everything and refuting you one by one. Why are you even in here caring about this in the first place? You must have a lot of extra time on your hands.

Could it be because of this from a now locked thread?

I have to admit, it would be nice, not to mention advantageous for everyone, if you took your "let your fingers do the walking" dictionary and wikipedia skillz and applied them a bit more *outside* the lav vs. trying to make corrections *inside* the lav...it doesn't have a whole heck of a lot of purpose here whereas out there, it would be much more useful for ALL the users/guests/lurkers esp. if put in an aviation setting!

I must admit your quite talented with that (must have a lot of time on your hands?) and i think it'd be a great benefit to everyone from Gen Topics to Flight Academies! :nana2:

 

[TonyC]

Could it be because of this from a now locked thread?

Grrrrr... don't make me start quotin' that thread.


Yes, when I say something, I expect to be believed. Honestly.






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[JaceTheAce]

what more? Answer us honestly -- do you have a North Dakota Driver's License?

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YES!!!!!! I forgot to list it. I do have one. In fact I have two because I thought I lost the first one. I gave up my California driver's license (that was painful).

I am now officially a North Dakotan, born and raised, I plan on retiring in this beautiful wonderful state and eat lufse and lutefisk for dinner everyday. And drive a Pontiac Grand Am just like everyone else here.

 

[AngelFuree]

shady advice about how to save money by cheating the system, pretending to be a North Dakota resident.

Cheating the system? Wow.

What you bolded is COMPLETELY true. Reread the whole paragraph. It states if you leave the state (during break [e.g. summer break; three months]) to a state of previous (e.g. home state) residence, you lose ND residency. How so?

Gee, I don't know. You're going to have to take that up with the University of North Dakota -- THEY WROTE IT!

It was a rhetorical question, Tony.

 

[TXaviator]

Yeah. I sent my mother's birth certificate proving that she's Mexican last year but I sent it too late. I'm going to try again this year. All you need to be is 1/2 or 1/4 of a previously disadvantaged ethnicity. They invite you to apply for these things, it doesn't matter which state you come from.

the germanic tribes were previously disadvantaged during the reign of the Roman Empire.

i should apply for ethnic diversity waiver.

 

[JaceTheAce]

the germanic tribes were previously disadvantaged during the reign of the Roman Empire.

i should apply for ethnic diversity waiver.

LOL! Honestly I don't agree with the cultural diversity waivers since it isn't fair to fully white people, but heck, if they offer it to me while a poor college student I'm not going to turn it down!

They specifically list Black, Hispanic, American Indian, or Asian Americans as those who qualify. I am one of those (1/2 Mexican). Can't you tell from my avatar?... lol......I don't look it.

 

[TXaviator]

vote - good
registered car - good
contribute to the economy, pay sales taxes - good, but irrelevant
pay rent - good



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uh okay i DO all those things in north dakota. yet they are irrelevant??? by what measure are you judging whether or not i am a "resident" then???

and paying taxes here is VERY relevant. if i am paying taxes, then i am giving money to the local government to be used in the public interest for local services. one of which is education. by paying in my share, i am then ENTITLED to use that service. do you disagree?

 

[AngelFuree]

the germanic tribes were previously disadvantaged during the reign of the Roman Empire.

i should apply for ethnic diversity waiver.

I'm sure you would get it too if even Norwegians get the diversity waiver.