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So true. But a lot of us with degrees in other fields decided to fly instead. I'm happy with my decision... It made me a much happier person.

Oddly, the only people I've come across that were negative about my decision to leave engineering for aviation were people that have only worked as professional pilots their entire career. They really have no idea what it's like outside their little bubble.

What's right for me (or whoever) isn't always logical.
A lot of folks who complain about this business have never, ever done anything else. It's certainly not all roses where I work and we have our fair share of problems to work on, but on balance I think I am treated reasonably well, receive a relatively large amount of time off (which is really important to me) and have no responsibility for work outside of working days. Three years in and I'm flying the airplane I want with a schedule I want*. I enjoy going to work, I enjoy the flying and the people I work with. Please make sure that you actually like flying before you buy a lot of it and possibly get a job doing it, though. Some of the most miserable folks I work with are the ones who don't enjoy flying the airplane; without an enjoyment of flying the plane, you really mightn't enjoy a lot of the other things that are ancillary to your primary job function of moving the airplane.

I don't think I'd go back to my previous career in information security full-time short of getting a blip on my EKG. I fly my desk on days off now and when I'm on reserve (I do some software work on the side, nice little additional paycheck), and that's quite plenty desk flying for me, for now. Having no responsibility for my primary job on my days off is something that would never, ever happen in my previous career. It's wonderfully liberating. The only real complaint that I have is pay, but I can (1) fly a bigger airplane and (2) maybe, sometime in the future, get a job at a carrier with a higher payscale. I do alright, though. :cool:

* Bid what you want, but want what you get. Admonition.
 
It isn't all about the money for me. I'm going to be working a minimum of a 50 hour week with virtually no time off real soon. And I won't be making all that much money when you consider the time I sink into it. But the business venture I am going to open will not only provide me with a good solid upper middle class lifestyle but it will also allow me to find homes for animals that need them. And that is a BIG reward which no amount of money can buy.
No thanks.

(But, different strokes, for different folks.)
 
Sorry man, I'm just not going down your whiny path. I made it work, and wasn't living like a college kid. It was pretty lean for a couple years, but I knew it would be and planned for it. If others aren't capable of that for whatever reason, then eating mac and cheese is apparently their destiny.

One thing is for sure, I've done it and you haven't.

Because it wasn't worth it to me. Dropping $50K and then getting a $15K job instructing and then hitting the "big leagues" and making $25K? No thanks. That's what I made when I was fresh out of college in 1990. Anyone who wants to pay me that little can kiss my butt.

Whiny because I don't want to take a 60 percent paycut? Okay, bub. Whatever.

And you're goddamn right I haven't done it. Because it's not worth it to me.
 
Playing it safe is easier on the back, and allows you to "plan" for the future. Life has a funny way of pissing on your plans though. I for one won't look in the mirror and say "I wish I woulda...."
 
Playing it safe is easier on the back, and allows you to "plan" for the future. Life has a funny way of pissing on your plans though. I for one won't look in the mirror and say "I wish I woulda...."
There's exactly one career-related decision that I reproach myself about, but it's so far in the rear-view mirror that even thinking about it is a waste of cognitive capacity better spent remembering what the flight attendant's name is for the "Hi there, welcome aboard" PA...or just about anything else.
 
Sounds pretty gross, but ok! Obviously you were saving on per diem, and I know that's a popular thing to do. Not me, my goal was to use that for food. I still packed food, but it was healthy and tasty - not carb/sugar centric.
I had to bank per diem to survive. Maybe I was doing it wrong, but the only way I could make it work without saving per diem was if I lived in the crashpad. Wasn't gonna do that.
 
A lot of folks who complain about this business have never, ever done anything else. * Bid what you want, but want what you get. Admonition.

My point exactly. I have done both and I will be the first in line to say, that with making triple what I pulled in the regionals, I want back and now! It is not bad until you start to believe what others say!
 
Seems the louder voices for staying away are those who stayed away themselves.

Yup. And let me tell you, it's a damn good thing I did.

Because if I didn't, after I sunk $50K into things and was committed to seeing it through?

I'd be the son of a bitch who you'd hate to spend two seconds with in the cockpit. I'd be bitching about the pay, how the layover hotels were crap, how cheap the company was for not cleaning the planes, and so on.

When you saw that I was doing a trip with you, you'd be thinking "oh God. The guy does the job but he's got such a bad attitude about this gig. I don't want to work with him. Maybe I can get someone to trade out."

I'm very grateful to Doug for setting this site up so I could see what it was like and choose a different route.
 
Different strokes, you never wonder though? If not that's good.

Nope.

After figuring out it would take an upgrade and several years to get back to the same compensation level that I was at -- and that's assuming that I didn't get a raise or promotion or take another job during that time had I not gone in to aviation -- I decided I'd be one bitter son of a bitch. And that would do nobody any good.

Once I make a decision, I don't look back.
 
Yup. And let me tell you, it's a damn good thing I did.

Because if I didn't, after I sunk $50K into things and was committed to seeing it through?

I'd be the son of a bitch who you'd hate to spend two seconds with in the cockpit. I'd be bitching about the pay, how the layover hotels were crap, how cheap the company was for not cleaning the planes, and so on.

When you saw that I was doing a trip with you, you'd be thinking "oh God. The guy does the job but he's got such a bad attitude about this gig. I don't want to work with him. Maybe I can get someone to trade out."

I'm very grateful to Doug for setting this site up so I could see what it was like and choose a different route.

I've been thinking a lot about this, Tony - I think you and I were in very similar boats. At the time, I think you were still in sales, right? I'm still in it, although on the tech side of the house with the account reps. I don't make quite the money the account reps do, but I don't carry their quotas either.

When you've been in a job that rewards seriously hard work with serious money, it's tough to move into a job that will pay you the same whether you do the absolute minimum or bust your butt per hour of work. I made the decision NOT to pursue aviation professionally because of the same compensation blow I would have taken. I've watched a couple of other JCers make the change later in life and seen their personal lives completely implode. One can argue that aviation wasn't the sole reason - and it never is - but the financial pressures that it can put on a relationship are daunting and it can be part of a larger problem. I've seen other couples flourish and other people get to new places in their lives with later-in-life changes like this - @Bumblebee is a terrific example of how it can work out - although that never would have worked out in my first marriage and definitely not with the couple of temporary relationships past that one.

However...

Very recently, I've been thinking about making the change again - and it's actually my wife encouraging me to do it. I'm 40 years old now (I was 32 when I joined, 31 when I found JC) and I've been in the same line of work for more than 20 years. It has allowed me the luxury of working from home, making good money and supporting a lifestyle that we both like. She pointed out to me the other day that due to paths we took when we were younger, she has had the opportunity to pursue some dream jobs whereas I never have, and she has offered me the opportunity - if I want it - to let me make a transition into aviation, because she feels like I should get a shot at it.

This was pretty amazing to me - mostly because of the way she framed it - and it got me thinking about the 'what if.' Because I still don't think I'd go 121 flying - but there are lots of other jobs besides the airlines.

Here's my point - and I apologize for it being long-winded...several years ago, I was in the same boat as @tonyw - but the boat (in fact, the whole damned ocean) has changed.

@mandyk - if you think this is something the two of you want - together - then you oughta do it - just do it with your eyes open.This site is a phenomenal source for knowledge.

I was going to write more and call out some particular members, but I may start another thread for that.
 
Very recently, I've been thinking about making the change again - and it's actually my wife encouraging me to do it. I'm 40 years old now (I was 32 when I joined, 31 when I found JC) and I've been in the same line of work for more than 20 years. It has allowed me the luxury of working from home, making good money and supporting a lifestyle that we both like. She pointed out to me the other day that due to paths we took when we were younger, she has had the opportunity to pursue some dream jobs whereas I never have, and she has offered me the opportunity - if I want it - to let me make a transition into aviation, because she feels like I should get a shot at it.

Well, you're in a very different situation than me. You'll have to make some sacrifices, but it is not like it would be for me. On the $25K that a typical regional airline would pay me, I'd take home, what, $2K a month after taxes? Now take away $1K for housing (ha, I'd be lucky to find a room in a dumpy SRO hotel for that). I've got $1K left. Now put in internet and a wireless phone and I'm down another c-note. I've got to pay for insurance for my car. Bye bye another $100, and then another $100 for gas.

I'm down to $700 for everything. Give me food stamp level spending on food and I'm down another $150.

Everything else now has to be shoehorned in on less than $20 a day.

Could I do it? Yeah, probably. But I would be existing instead of living. And that is no way to go through life.

You've got a supportive spouse who can put a roof over your head and food on the table. I don't. That makes all the difference.

Look, man, if you want to do it, and you can make it, great! I'm happy for you if you are happy!

Just be sure you know what you're getting into and take a cold, hard, rational look at what you will have to give up.
 
Well, you're in a very different situation than me. You'll have to make some sacrifices, but it is not like it would be for me. On the $25K that a typical regional airline would pay me, I'd take home, what, $2K a month after taxes? Now take away $1K for housing (ha, I'd be lucky to find a room in a dumpy SRO hotel for that). I've got $1K left. Now put in internet and a wireless phone and I'm down another c-note. I've got to pay for insurance for my car. Bye bye another $100, and then another $100 for gas.

I'm down to $700 for everything. Give me food stamp level spending on food and I'm down another $150.

Everything else now has to be shoehorned in on less than $20 a day.

Could I do it? Yeah, probably. But I would be existing instead of living. And that is no way to go through life.

You've got a supportive spouse who can put a roof over your head and food on the table. I don't. That makes all the difference.

Look, man, if you want to do it, and you can make it, great! I'm happy for you if you are happy!

Just be sure you know what you're getting into and take a cold, hard, rational look at what you will have to give up.
That's also if you have no debt! :)

Couldn't afford regional FO wages again even if I wanted to. But, that's of course my doing with a lifestyle that needs more than $25k/year, along with continuing to pay student loans.
 
First year pay at a regional can be bad, but I went into it with money saved up. I lived my normal life of drinking good beer and eating good food. I sure wasn't eating mac and ramen. After that first year is wasn't too bad.

Heck, I left an ok paying corporate pilot position for a regional. It would have been possible for me to have pretty good paying gigs the entire time, but for career development I went with a regional. But there are some folks out there that have always been paid pretty well.

Sorry man, I'm just not going down your whiny path. I made it work, and wasn't living like a college kid. It was pretty lean for a couple years, but I knew it would be and planned for it. If others aren't capable of that for whatever reason, then eating mac and cheese is apparently their destiny.

One thing is for sure, I've done it and you haven't.


Why do you take it so personal that someone else made a different decision?
 
And I'm sorry, I guess it's just where I live, but $35k-ish second year as an FO is still not enough to live well on. @tonyw, wanna go halvsies on a place in Lakeside? :D
 
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