To the Moon!

WacoFan said:
Also could be a throwback to Apollo 8 and how they weaved Genesis into their Christmas message as they orbited the moon in 1968. Plus they listened to a recording Lovell made for them prior to his death in which he used the phrase "the good Earth" which he said in 1968.

There are all kinds of reasons to get wrapped around an axel, particularly today. But I never understood people getting offended t the mere mention of faith, whether they believe in that faith or not. A Muslim or Hindu or Wiccan or whatever wants to pray for me? I'll thank them and accept the prayer. It ain't that hard.
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No one is offended, not once and not ever

It’s just stupid…plain stupid obedience placating as “the good way”
 
bp said:
because hardcore atheists are almost as annoying as hardcore christians
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I'm a "hardcore atheist", in that I definitely don't believe in a god or gods or the power of prayer or the supernatural divinity of God's love or whatever.

But if someone who does prefer to see the universe and their place in it through their faith, and offer words from that faith that express their feelings, who am I to be annoyed? That they were moved to quote their scripture is enough for me to empathize with the sentiment that generated that impulse.

Which is not to be confused with the performative variety of gratuitous public displays of piousness, though sometimes the line is fine enough that the distinction is unclear.

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CFIT99 said:
Such an eye roll comment

That what religious folk say to justify how
being them is “ok”
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Eh, I have both in my department. Coming from an atheist, I agree. If we all just worshipped or didn’t as we saw fit…yeah, there’s a couple thousand years of history that say that we can’t keep that to ourselves.
 
WacoFan said:
Also could be a throwback to Apollo 8 and how they weaved Genesis into their Christmas message as they orbited the moon in 1968. Plus they listened to a recording Lovell made for them prior to his death in which he used the phrase "the good Earth" which he said in 1968.

There are all kinds of reasons to get wrapped around an axel, particularly today. But I never understood people getting offended t the mere mention of faith, whether they believe in that faith or not. A Muslim or Hindu or Wiccan or whatever wants to pray for me? I'll thank them and accept the prayer. It ain't that hard.
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Artemis had some Easter services which was fine by me, I was just disappointed in this particular message and it's timing. This was a moment for all humanity regardless of belief.
 
And let me add, I'd probably be a little less caring at the moment if it weren't for a certain Christo-Fascist regime running things.

Still, it was a relatively minor thing in the end and doesn't take away from the accomplishments or stoke level for the mission.
 
mikecweb said:
Yea I mean I get what you're saying I also believe that after all the work to get to the point where the microphone was floated to him, he could say whatever the hell he wants. If it was up to this administration they'd have MAGA hats on. Bigger fish to fry imho.
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Not wrong on that, and it's a point I felt was worthy of bringing up not a WE'RE NEVER GOING TO SPACE AGAIN BECAUSE OF A BIBLE QUOTE thing.
 
Dumb question, but I haven't seen it posted anywhere or talked about by NASA. Have any of the Apollo landing sites been photographed by the current crew?
 
Inverted said:
Dumb question, but I haven't seen it posted anywhere or talked about by NASA. Have any of the Apollo landing sites been photographed by the current crew?
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I don't think they flew over those sites, I'd be happy to be corrected. I was curious about something I read or heard about where the astronauts were talking about fresh craters from asteroids, if we're going to build a base on the surface how do we prevent it from being hit? I've heard the base is going to be built on one of the poles of the moon (north/south?), do we have any accurate idea what those prospective locations look like? The fact that the trajectories required to facilitate Artemis and the moon meeting and then using the moons gravity to slingshot home is unbelievable (not unbelievable like a conspiracy, unbelievable like "I can't believe that just worked!"). Hats off to the folks at NASA, let's just focus on getting these folks home now. As far as the religion in space thing goes I think many who've been to space have described it as a religious experience, as in they might've been casually religious but once they got up there they felt differently.
 
WacoFan said:
Okay. Apparently it is that hard.
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This is the left. They have an idea, they have absolutely no idea how to implement it other than meetings. They have a lot of meetings about ideas and instituting another bureaucracy, they've never actually built anything but they sleep at night snug in the fact that they've helped. And that might be true, they created more useless jobs that whatever grant or other funding will pay for gets siphoned off before boots ever hit the ground to alleviate the initial problem. They misidentify the root cause and focus on treating the symptoms and think they're actually accomplishing something. And then when the problem gets worse they have the audacity to demand more money to fix the initial problem. A perfect example is $24 billion dollars in LA to solve homelessness. Lots of meetings, councils and salaries and the problem is worse than when they started. Even if these people were capable of solving the problem they don't want to, pretending they can fix it is their livelihood.
 
Inverted said:
Dumb question, but I haven't seen it posted anywhere or talked about by NASA. Have any of the Apollo landing sites been photographed by the current crew?
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Nope, too far away on the approach as I recall. Would still need a telescope basically and all color from the flags and any fabric items left behind have most likely faded by now as well.
 
I think it’s likely intentional that Artemis II didn’t have any good photography opportunities for the Apollo sites. NASA had over 50 years between missions and I’m skeptical that there’ll be an Artemis mission that lands. They’re trying to get as much science as they can done on this mission and pictures of sites that were the previously most photographed sites on the moon aren’t the best use of time and resources.
 
Inverted said:
Dumb question, but I haven't seen it posted anywhere or talked about by NASA. Have any of the Apollo landing sites been photographed by the current crew?
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No because the orbits are vastly different. If you want to nerd out about it here's a good explanation of Apollo 8 vs Artemis I and II.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNQ7MoL7erI


Also the landing sites will be in totally different areas, with the Artemis program looking to land on the poles of the Moon.

However the Apollo sites were photographed by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter in 2011, which you can see here: NASA Scientific Visualization Studio | Revisiting Apollo Landing Sites
 
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