Three Dead in Houston Cirrus Crash

Wow this sounds like something that would happen in IMC. I wonder how much has she flown since getting her license in 2014.
 
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Three people are dead. Read the article.

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I did read it and the transcript. And found it disgusting. Two innocent people are dead because one moron wasn't satisfied just killing themselves alone. She should have popped the chute during runup before the circus really got into high gear.

Not to mention she was landing on a runway that could satisfy an A380. Not exactly threading the tree tops at Wilgrove Airpark in Charlotte.

But yeah. Good job missing that propane tank or whatever.
 
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Second time in recent history a controller told a Cirrus pilot to "keep it in tight" and the Cirrus pilot overreacted and stalled/spun to the ground. First time was at Melborne, Florida a couple years ago.


Although it is the pilot fault for stalling an airplane and losing control, this controller should have known better. The exchange lasted a good 15 minutes, and that's just the online published transcript. He should have seen she's in over her head and just have her clear away while the important traffic lands. She couldn't follow a 737 in, it's not likely she'll follow a 747 in either. Way too much interaction done in a high workload environment for both pilot and controller.

Anyway, the term "cut it in tight" should be struck from any ATC manual and vernacular. There are GA guys that will panic at that and over bank at a low airspeed low to the ground. Sure recipe for a fatal stall.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Second time in recent history a controller told a Cirrus pilot to "keep it in tight" and the Cirrus pilot overreacted and stalled/spun to the ground. First time was at Melborne, Florida a couple years ago.


Although it is the pilot fault for stalling an airplane and losing control, this controller should have known better. The exchange lasted a good 15 minutes, and that's just the online published transcript. He should have seen she's in over her head and just have her clear away while the important traffic lands. She couldn't follow a 737 in, it's not likely she'll follow a 747 in either. Way too much interaction done in a high workload environment for both pilot and controller.

Anyway, the term "cut it in tight" should be struck from any ATC manual and vernacular. There are GA guys that will panic at that and over bank at a low airspeed low to the ground. Sure recipe for a fatal stall.
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I could have ATC, his/her supervisor, my boss, a CFI, my girlfriend, and my dad all yelling keep it tight in my ear for 15 minutes straight during every turn and I still wouldn't cease the only thing I know how to do which is FLY THE DAMN AIRPLANE.

Not his fault at all.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
I could have ATC, his/her supervisor, my boss, a CFI, my girlfriend, and my dad all yelling keep it tight in my ear for 15 minutes straight during every turn and I still wouldn't cease the only thing I know how to do which is FLY THE DAMN AIRPLANE.

Not his fault at all.
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"Cut it in tight" is the last thing heard in now two accidents. Sure, it's not the controllers fault. But if we can show that this phrase has caused people (obviously not you) but many other people to overreact, and then stall and fatally crash, then the whole situation needs to be examined.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Second time in recent history a controller told a Cirrus pilot to "keep it in tight" and the Cirrus pilot overreacted and stalled/spun to the ground. First time was at Melborne, Florida a couple years ago.


Although it is the pilot fault for stalling an airplane and losing control, this controller should have known better. The exchange lasted a good 15 minutes, and that's just the online published transcript. He should have seen she's in over her head and just have her clear away while the important traffic lands. She couldn't follow a 737 in, it's not likely she'll follow a 747 in either. Way too much interaction done in a high workload environment for both pilot and controller.

Anyway, the term "cut it in tight" should be struck from any ATC manual and vernacular. There are GA guys that will panic at that and over bank at a low airspeed low to the ground. Sure recipe for a fatal stall.
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I didn't know that ATC had the PIC authority to accept a clearance to "cut it in tight"... Until pilots learn to fly the airplane how they need to fly it, stuff like this will continue to happen.

And yes, the Cirrus is the new doctor killer. Higher performance airplane, marketed to extremely low time pilots with piles of cash to burn and no desire to remain proficient. Obviously the plane can be flown and not have accidents, as has been proven by the commercial operators of the airplane.
 
You know what else has been said right before a pilot has crashed? "Go around" "Slow as practical" "Keep your speed up" ""Make first exit off runway" "make short approach" turn early crosswind"

Along with "cleared for takeoff" "cleared to land" and "hold short of xx"

All of which has been the last thing someone has heard before an accident somewhere. Don't try to draw conclusions just because of a coincidence. No airplane has the ability to make hard sharp turns at low airspeed. "keep it tight" just means don't fly a 747 pattern.
 
A rascal I once flew with showed me a 'close left base to final with increased power'- from his Herc days. Clang clang clang goes the trolley!
 
texas_pilot said:
A rascal I once flew with showed me a 'close left base to final with increased power'- from his Herc days. Clang clang clang goes the trolley!
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Ever done canyon turns? Nothing wrong with it if you unload before you stall it.

In this case, I don't think all the stall/spin training in the world would have helped.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:



"Cut it in tight" is the last thing heard in now two accidents. Sure, it's not the controllers fault. But if we can show that this phrase has caused people (obviously not you) but many other people to overreact, and then stall and fatally crash, then the whole situation needs to be examined.
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Reminds me of the accident that destroyed the first air craft I co-owned, and took down a friend and his parents with it.

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=1814
 
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