This industry sucks (rant)

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I love how everyone can confidently say that without actually being here. I'm sure from the outside looking in, it must seem nice. I get to FLY JEETTTTSS OMG HOW COOL. And yeah, it is cool! I get to be a captain! That's awesome! And yeah, it is awesome.

That's the good part. And if the good part existed in isolation, I'd never leave. Move up, sure if it happened it happened, and that'd be cool.

What you're not seeing, and what people on the outside can't seem to understand no matter how much you explain it, is how grueling this job is at the bottom.

People often try to compare it to other industries, or other lifestyles. Even people in the airlines, once they have some seniority under their belt, tend to forget how much it sucks at the bottom. People at majors tend to forget the trauma pretty damned quick, by my observation.

But when you're on day five of getting woken up at 3am to work a 14 hour day, when you're running on two hours of sleep, when you're so tired that your muscles don't want to move anymore and lifting your coffee hurts, when you're stressed because you woke up to find that you'd been reflowed into five legs ending at 7pm (but it's legal because two are deadheads), giving you min rest in Fresno, and you just want to yell "•" at the top of your lungs, but you have to put on a big grin and say good morning to the TSA agent who says "God, you're back again?"

When you show up to the plane, barely hanging on, and you find that your APU is out, your brand new FAs are grouchy because they got min rest from the night before and your FO finished IOE yesterday, and you know that you're going to have to spend the next thirteen hours coaching and mentoring, and explaining vertical modes, and watching them bang through procedures with no idea of why, and you know that you're going to be doing the mental work of both seats . . .
when your first leg gets two hours of flow, and you push back, and then flow cancels and you get a wheels up time in three minutes with your engines shut down, and then you get airborne and get holding instructions, advise ready to copy . . . and you're messaging dispatch, and they don't answer, and they didn't give you reserve fuel anyway, so you declare min fuel, and your green FO is looking at you with wide eyes and a "what do I do" stare, and you're telling the FAs and ATC that you're probably going to divert, and then dispatch comes back and says "Your burn to destination is 2,300 pounds," and then ATC tells you "Reroute, advise ready to copy," and you're cleared to your destination via a new arrival, and you start flying there, then you're below 18,000' on vectors, and they give you another reroute to a different arrival, different runway, and your FO puts it in entirely wrong, and you want to help them but they don't understand what you're saying, and you're PF and responsible for flight-path-management, and now you're showing low landing numbers, but your FO can't figure out how to give you direct fix on the arrival, and you have to coach them through it . . . and then you land, and you're on a minimum standard turn, so you have 22 minutes to get people off and get airborne again. But your FAs are exhausted, too, and you offer to run in to get them coffee, and come back, check in on everybody. And everyone's boarded, and the gate agent is huffy, but you're good to go. You knock out the checklists and get off the gate, when you get DING: ... and now you're pulling out the QRH, calling maintenance, doing a reset procedure, and it's fine but you won't have autopilot for the next leg. And you're so tired that your head is swimming, but you can't call out fatigued every single day, can you . . . ? And on the next leg while you're trying to hold altitude, ATC tells you they need you at 340, and you tell them unable, and they tell you "Ok, well, you need to go down to 24 then." And you're bouncing along at 24,000', and there are people meowing on guard, and your FA is calling you to tell you that the passenger in 14B just managed to defecate in such a way that the ceiling of the forward lavatory is coated, and they've closed that lav, and you tell the FO to message the company to get a hazmat cleaner to meet the plane, and your FO is talking about how they just got into the United Pathway Program, but they earned it because their dad paid for flight training and the airplane he bought needed maintenance once, and nobody is going to read this wall of text, but that's kinda the fun part. It's like a little rant-themed easter egg. And if you've read this far, you're the lucky winner! I'm a nigerian princess, and I have a jillion dollars that you can have if you just pay to withdraw it, but anyway, you land at your destination, and the gate is occupied. And ops tells you no, you can't use the gate beside it, despite the fact that it's empty. So you make a PA, but ground is yelling at you to get you to move, but you've already shut down your right engine, so to turn back to the left you have to wallow around or start #2 up again. So you taxi to the back acreage, set the brake, tell the FO to wake you up when they call. But then they need to move you because they've got a heavy coming through. With a sigh, you swing around, let the heavy past, and then turn around to park in the same spot. At that point, the gate opens, and you taxi in. The rampers have just pushed the previous plane out, but as soon as they disconnect, they pull back into the gate and disappear to their lunch break. And you call operations, and operations tells you that they'll call somebody. And you make another PA, and you can hear the groans and anger even through the flight deck door. And your cabin call goes BING, and you're like "Hey, what's up?" And they're like "Hey, so what's really going on?" And you're like "I told you." And they're like "It's hot back here, and smells like sewage. And the passengers are complaining." And you check, and the ECS synoptic page says it's set to 22 degrees, but it's actually 26, and you make a PA to apologize, then recycle the bleeds to see if it kicks the fans back on. You're still waiting on rampers, and eventually they mosey out to their positions, then they all come back in to "huddle." The huddle goes on longer than it takes to sing "happy birthday" twelve times. You get a message from dispatch, asking what's going on, and a "INQUIRY" for the ground delay program. The rampers finally come out, and you go to release the brakes, and DING. "Hey, what's up?" "Yeah, we just had a passenger go into the aft lav, and now there's a line." BUT EVENTUALLY you get into the gate, 15 minutes later, get through the shutdown checklist after yelling out the window for someone to give you the "chocks in" signal, and you're finally ready to go. However, there are no wheelchairs, despite having two aisle chairs and five wheelchairs on board. You go up to check with the gate agent, and she's surprised by the request for wheelchairs or hazmat team, but she says she'll call. You get back to the plane, and find that you're now swapping to a different plane in a different terminal. At least you get to get out of this piece of crap, right? So you get to the gate with your new plane all there waiting for you, and all the passengers are giving you the stinkeye, and the gate agent is giving you the stinkeye. You get on board, start the APU, start programming the box, and the FO comes up and says "Hey, cap, looks like there's a bird strike on the right wing."

... and you still have a million legs to go.

And when you finally do get a day off, you're an absolute zombie. You can't even smile to greet friends and family. You collapse into bed around 22:00, when you get home, because you're so exhausted that it overrides your circadian rhythm, but you have to wake up at 9am because you have an appointment. The next day you get up at 1100, and it's amazing. You've finally had a good night of sleep. You stretch, yawn, and head downstairs ... but the fatigue is still there behind the eyes, and you look at the calendar only to see that you're back on reserve in sixteen hours. People around you are oblivious to how tight your timing is, and they laugh and joke while you sit there, stressed by knowing what's coming.

Again, five on, two off, five on, three off, four on, two off ... every time you submit for early release: DENIED. Gold day: Denied. Vacation: Denied. Time off request: Denied. Move reserve day: Denied. Talk with crew support: Denied.



Yeah, we have a megalomaniacal dictator and a facile band of complicit toadies who are dead set on running this place into the ground to rebuild it as a christofascist oligarchy/kleptocracy, which is an existential threat to my safety and those of my mates, who I'd do anything for.



We're literally looking at buying a sailboat and going "cruising" to wait it out.



Totally support your decision. It's not an option for us.



I doubt degree is a factor here. But I had to leave my animschool classes, which I was absolutely passionate about, due to lack of time to do the work. I was contributing to an old game project that is incredibly dear to my heart as a 3D artist, and I had to abandon my projects there—with deep apologies—due to absolute lack of time in my schedule to do any work.
I’m not on here much, but im sorry that you’re going thru a hard time….

When I was younger, i remember trying to be the get everything going pilot. Rush around here, try to make up time….

But you are the captain. You set the tone. If your FAs need a break, I make them get off the plane, go take a break. I don’t care about on time or the agent’s timeline. If the rampers take 30 minutes to get in position to park you.. that’s quite all right. I’ll be right here, wake me up when you are ready for me to park.

Wheelchairs and biohazard team…. They can take their sweet time getting the plane turned around….

Things that that used to bother me a lot and it would absolutely drive me nuts. But as I’ve gotten older and after 20 years of being a 121 pilot. I don’t give a crap anymore. Plane is boarded and ready to go when I step on and everyone is giving me a stink eye…. I’ll stop and grab the PA and talk to the passengers Ask for their indulgence and patience. I’ll tell them I have to do preflight it will take about 20 minutes for me to be satisfied that I can conduct this flight safely. …. They’ve been waiting so I apologize for that but I’ll need a little but more time. But we will get you on your way….

Can you call in fatigued every day? Yes. If you need to then that’s what you do.

I am just one person, and in the end I am just another cog and totally replaceable. You can stress yourself out trying to get back on schedule because you’ve got a million legs that day. stop worrying about trying to get back on time or worry about when rampers are going to come out. Maybe you’ll time out with all of the delays that just keep piling up and just have to go to the hotel.

So I no longer stress out when the wheels come off the wagon. Parking brake is set and it doesn’t come off until I am ready to go. Gate agent and ops can breathe down my neck all they want….

Moving on to mainline you’ll start back off at the bottom and doing the same thing you’re doing at Skywest. Just get paid a little bit more for it better work rules most likely. But it will be the same old same old…

But hey at the majors we have CPDLC, so we don’t have to copy reroutes any more. We just get the text message, push buttons and it’s loaded in the box for us. And no more tuning radios. Can’t remember the last time I tuned radios with CPDLC.
 
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I’m not on here much, but im sorry that you’re going thru a hard time….

When I was younger, i remember trying to be the get everything going pilot. Rush around here, try to make up time….

But you are the captain. You set the tone. If your FAs need a break, I make them get off the plane, go take a break. I don’t care about on time or the agent’s timeline. If the rampers take 30 minutes to get in position to park you.. that’s quite all right. I’ll be right here, wake me up when you are ready for me to park.

Wheelchairs and biohazard team…. They can take their sweet time getting the plane turned around….

Things that that used to bother me a lot and it would absolutely drive me nuts. But as I’ve gotten older and after 20 years of being a 121 pilot. I don’t give a crap anymore. Plane is boarded and ready to go when I step on and everyone is giving me a stink eye…. I’ll stop and grab the PA and talk to the passengers Ask for their indulgence and patience. I’ll tell them I have to do preflight it will take about 20 minutes for me to be satisfied that I can conduct this flight safely. …. They’ve been waiting so I apologize for that but I’ll need a little but more time. But we will get you on your way….

Can you call in fatigued every day? Yes. If you need to then that’s what you do.

I am just one person, and in the end I am just another cog and totally replaceable. You can stress yourself out trying to get back on schedule because you’ve got a million legs that day. stop worrying about trying to get back on time or worry about when rampers are going to come out. Maybe you’ll time out with all of the delays that just keep piling up and just have to go to the hotel.

So I no longer stress out when the wheels come off the wagon. Parking brake is set and it doesn’t come off until I am ready to go. Gate agent and ops can breathe down my neck all they want….

Moving on to mainline you’ll start back off at the bottom and doing the same thing you’re doing at Skywest. Just get paid a little bit more for it better work rules most likely. But it will be the same old same old…

But hey at the majors we have CPDLC, so we don’t have to copy reroutes any more. We just get the text message, push buttons and it’s loaded in the box for us. And no more tuning radios. Can’t remember the last time I tuned radios with CPDLC.
I remember having go getter FOs who would be rushing, rushing, rushing on a tight turn and I'd just kind of smile and go "hey... we're already late, let's take a breath and do this right." I used to think I was fairly high strung, and I probably was, but it's crazy seeing what some people get wrapped around the axle about.
That said, the laid back attitude goes out the window when it's Christmas Day and I've got 30 minutes to make the last flight home and we're running late for no discernible reason.
 
I remember having go getter FOs who would be rushing, rushing, rushing on a tight turn and I'd just kind of smile and go "hey... we're already late, let's take a breath and do this right." I used to think I was fairly high strung, and I probably was, but it's crazy seeing what some people get wrapped around the axle about.
That said, the laid back attitude goes out the window when it's Christmas Day and I've got 30 minutes to make the last flight home and we're running late for no discernible reason.
Oh god the captains who lose their • when the ramp is slow or whatever…. Even worse when something holds us up once we’re blocked out. Like bro, you’re making $6/minute while we’re sitting here waiting for a wheels up time down to SFO, what are you mad about?

Unless like you said it’s go home day and there’s a tight commute
 
I don’t think going to a major is going to fix a lot of that…

Remember, people like @drunkenbeagle eying the job you have are no different than you eyeing that job you’re looking for. The crud rolls downhill, but you can be happy or unhappy anywhere.
I really truly never know how to feel about this statement. I hear this, and then in the same breath people will tell me how much better life is at majors than at regionals. Night and day, work rules, qol, etc.

I feel like I'm being gaslit in one direction or another—people talk about "people think I never work," but then turn around and say "But it's about the same at a regional."

I literally trust all of you, so when I hear conflicting things, I'm at a loss. It's like schrödinger's goddamn job.

I came to this industry for QoL. I had it for a while, as an FO, but schedules deteriorated even before I upgraded.

Here's the thing: nobody I work with, or around, or who knows me, thinks I should be happy where I am. I only get that from people who don't see me and the schedule I work. So I wonder if I'm just not doing a good job of communicating what 100+ hours a month (without soft time) on a 3am short-call (2hr) RAP feels like.
 
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I’m not on here much, but im sorry that you’re going thru a hard time….

When I was younger, i remember trying to be the get everything going pilot. Rush around here, try to make up time….

I really appreciate it. I want to clarify that my example was just a freestyle stream of consciousness. Things take the time they need to take and no less, and while my on-time performance is great, I don't get stress dealing with all the individual bits. It's cumulative, systemic, and physical stress.

And if I just called out fatigued all the time, they'd just fire me. Which would end my career except not on my terms.
 
Oh god the captains who lose their • when the ramp is slow or whatever…. Even worse when something holds us up once we’re blocked out. Like bro, you’re making $6/minute while we’re sitting here waiting for a wheels up time down to SFO, what are you mad about?

That's what I say a lot: "Meh, we get paid by the minute."

But I will say that when I'm on a 10 hour overnight in base, I drive much less safely than I'd like on the way home. :(
 
Being a junior captain on reserve blows…. I don’t know anything about SkyWest are things moving so that maybe soon things will get better?

I had QOL before things started going backwards…. I used to be able to bid and hold 3 leg 3-days with weekends off…. But as everything started sliding downhill, I found myself working weekends again, working red eyes again, and then having to move bases to avoid reserve. Was able to hold fairly good QOLs at the new base I commuted to Having weekends off again, but even now with the 25-36% reduction in flying. Last month I had to fly red eyes again, and November will be crap there used to be 200-250 pairings to choose from…. But November there are less than 100 pairings to fight over…. QoL has been going downhill steadily and rapidly as the airline financial situation deteriorates. with the shrinking of the fleet from over 200 planes to 100…. I really don’t see how they can keep the bases and I can see all the bases going away and us just being a MCO/FLL/DTW airline…. And having to commute a little bit further to MCO or FLL…

But that is just the way things are. It is very demoralizing talking to the FOs I fly with every week and every one of them have interviews with United , Delta, and American. I really do wish them best of luck and that they are able to get off the sinking ship.
 
I really truly never know how to feel about this statement. I hear this, and then in the same breath people will tell me how much better life is at majors than at regionals. Night and day, work rules, qol, etc.

I feel like I'm being gaslit in one direction or another—people talk about "people think I never work," but then turn around and say "But it's about the same at a regional."

I literally trust all of you, so when I hear conflicting things, I'm at a loss. It's like schrödinger's goddamn job.

I came to this industry for QoL. I had it for a while, as an FO, but schedules deteriorated even before I upgraded.

Here's the thing: nobody I work with, or around, or who knows me, thinks I should be happy where I am. I only get that from people who don't see me and the schedule I work. So I wonder if I'm just not doing a good job of communicating what 100+ hours a month (without soft time) on a 3am short-call (2hr) RAP feels like.

My seniority has been essentially frozen since being here. My qol hasn’t improved since day one post IOE in 2023. No weekends off and lots of red eye flying. So it’s not that you’re being gas lit, it’s just the truth about relative seniority in the 121 world and you know that.
 
Being a junior captain on reserve blows…. I don’t know anything about SkyWest are things moving so that maybe soon things will get better?

I'm the plug and will be indefinitely. It's going to be at least another year before I experience any movement, unless things change dramatically.

I had QOL before things started going backwards…. I used to be able to bid and hold 3 leg 3-days with weekends off…. But as everything started sliding downhill, I found myself working weekends again, working red eyes again, and then having to move bases to avoid reserve. Was able to hold fairly good QOLs at the new base I commuted to Having weekends off again, but even now with the 25-36% reduction in flying. Last month I had to fly red eyes again, and November will be crap there used to be 200-250 pairings to choose from…. But November there are less than 100 pairings to fight over…. QoL has been going downhill steadily and rapidly as the airline financial situation deteriorates. with the shrinking of the fleet from over 200 planes to 100…. I really don’t see how they can keep the bases and I can see all the bases going away and us just being a MCO/FLL/DTW airline…. And having to commute a little bit further to MCO or FLL…

I really would love redeyes. I don't care about weekends off, I just want more overall days off, or some control of my schedule (too much to ask).

But that is just the way things are. It is very demoralizing talking to the FOs I fly with every week and every one of them have interviews with United , Delta, and American. I really do wish them best of luck and that they are able to get off the sinking ship.

I 200% understand exactly this.
 
I really appreciate it. I want to clarify that my example was just a freestyle stream of consciousness. Things take the time they need to take and no less, and while my on-time performance is great, I don't get stress dealing with all the individual bits. It's cumulative, systemic, and physical stress.

And if I just called out fatigued all the time, they'd just fire me. Which would end my career except not on my terms.
I read it all! So that leads me to the question……if you are a Nigerian princess, what are you complaining for??!! LOL!!

My apologies that I have nothing to add I was just trying to prove that I read it!
 
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