The way it still should be.

[SkyCougar]

Thank you!

I'm actually hoping SkyCougar will chime in too, as being a travel agent she would have first-hand experience to relate about how people choose their ticket purchasing.

Amber, I still haven't gotten through this thread yet because I've been too busy whoopin' some ass at work, but I got the gist of it so far. To answer your questions about how people choose their flights:

People of modest means mainly choose by price, and if they have a fear of flying, they may also ask you about an airline's safety record.

Affluent and business travelers, which is mostly what my firm books, mainly choose airlines by schedule, service, connections, convenience - So much so that I'm chartering lots of jets, (including up to 757's for larger groups), and I see that increasing (sorry airlines) unless the delays/TSA security hassle thing gets fixed. They want convenience and are willing to pay for it. Never once have I ever had a client tell me that they want to be booked on an airline because the FA's are hot. I do hear people say they love Singapore Airlines for the service, and occasionally a guy will add a comment about pretty FA's, but that is rare.

So Toonces, I hear that Virgin America hires good looking FA's. Anyone know if that's true, and if so, how are they doing financially? (although they are still somewhat of a new novelty so maybe they're not a good gauge)

Speaking of work.....

 

[Toonces]

Toonces, Toonces. Where to start with you, son? This is too easy...



Amazing. You outed yourself as sexist and ageist in one sentence. What's the matter, kid? Not having much luck with the ladies? Perhaps you should invesigate one of your local Cougars. They could probably teach you a thing or two about sex. Women are like fine wine, they get better with age. You seem to be stuck on the jailbait mode. Too much MTV, kiddo.

Of course, a Cougar would want you to satisfy her, so it probably wouldn't work.



I hate to break it to you, Tooney, but often its women who are NOT what you'd consider "model" quality who make the best lovers. And, on top of that, its been my experience that the MORE intelligent a woman is, the better lover she is. You probably haven't experienced that yet, since you're posts here indicate you prefer denigrating women to actually exploring their minds and hearts.

You're missing out, buddy.



Ya think? And, I'll bet if he sees her in the local bar tonight with a herd of her friends, they'll get a detailed brief on the fact that he's a sexist pig.



Birds of a feather flock together, I guess. Have you ever considered the pleasure of just "bantering" with an attractive woman WITHOUT expecting a sexual outcome? Probably not. Of course, you might be amazed how a little flirtaous banter might actually lead you to an "experience".



Or maybe he might have just enjoyed talking to the girl and gone about his business without a crass proposition. And they both might have enjoyed the encounter. Of course, you "superior men" don't understand that.



Apparently your entire "morality" is looks based. You should probably reevaluate your value system. Because its obvious you aren't scoring with either the lookers or their less attractive sisters.

Oh well. There's always Miss October.

Sarcasm alert
Wow. I feel like you really know me. You are so right and I am so so wrong. Your conclusions are so accurate. Are you sure you are not really a psychic posing as an airline pilot. I will have to get in touch with my feminine side as you have. I would talk to my woman more but it seems the sound of my dinner being cooked or her face being buried in the pillow always drowns out whatever the little woman is saying.
Did I accidentally log onto the N.O.W website again. My god Velo you're practically lactating.

 

[Velocipede]

As I said, he doesn't get it. In my experience, women actually reach their prime in the LATE 30s and early 40s.

Its called maturity.

 

[Qgar]

I'm almost afraid to ask, Toonces...Who do you fly for--or is that top secret info? Hopefully, not the same airline where I work.

 

[Qgar]

:laff:

OMG, can't stop laughing........


OK, I've composed myself now.

You think women in their 30's are past their prime! Oh, my. Did you know that a woman actually reaches her sexual peak in her 30's? Whereas men reach there's in their late teens/early 20's.

And for some very lucky women, it just keeps going and going and going!

 

[SeatClutcher]

Where in that particular post did I refer to any gender?

When you said "hot stewardesses" and "handsome pilots."

While we are on the whole gender note... It's funny how young attractive women use their sexuality as the ultimate weapon to get everything they want.

You're displaying some 'issues' with women in general.

It all seems o.k to them until they hit 30 something and gravity and time take their toll.

"Them" who? Have you met any women like this personally? On what are you basing this negative image?

Then we get the same women who used their sexuality in their prime to get the things they wanted, demand that looks shouldn't be taken into consideration.

Have you actually seen this happen? Have you done a longitudinal study?

Moral of the story. Women use sex to their advantage until they can't pull it off anymore. Then they expect everyone to feel sorry for them. That doesn't fly with me. The only ones I feel bad for are the ugly chicks who could never pull off the whole cutesy act.

It must be tough being sexually attracted to a gender you find so repulsive.

 

[Qgar]

It must be tough being sexually attracted to a gender you find so repulsive.

Kristen, for the win! :nana2:

Although I'm still holding out hope Mr. Toonces will post his photo. Doesn't necessarily have to be in uniform either. I'm sure he's HOT no matter what he's wearing.

 

[Toonces]

For the record I love women of all shapes, sizes, races and yes even ages. Beauty is a subjective thing. I actually love seasoned women who know how to take care of themselves. Morgan Fairchild comes to mind. There are beautiful women I find ugly and average women I find irresistible. It's all in how a woman presents herself. In the story I told earlier, it was meant as to be an example of a beautiful girl being ugly. I hate it when women blatantly use sexuality to get what they want. I almost never go to strip clubs or Hooters type restaurants for this very reason. I find it insulting to my intelligence.

My thoughts on how I think an airline should be run are very vanilla. It's something I feel most people would find appealing. Some people might like purple draped on the windows and midgets dressed up like clowns serving drinks. Obviously one can't cater to what everyone’s particular tastes are.

Most people would have difficulty summing up their whole character in a few paragraphs on a public forum. I don't think you really understand my character or personality. I'd love to sit down and have a beer with each one of you and really talk. I think you would find I am not the boogieman you have convinced yourself I am.

Cheers

P.S.
Here is a video of me for those of you that are interested in my true identity.
http://break.com/index/another-roid-freak-loves-himself.html

 

[SeatClutcher]

For the record I love women of all shapes, sizes, races and yes even ages. Beauty is a subjective thing. I actually love seasoned women who know how to take care of themselves. Morgan Fairchild comes to mind. There are beautiful women I find ugly and average women I find irresistible. It's all in how a woman presents herself. In the story I told earlier, it was meant as to be an example of a beautiful girl being ugly. I hate it when women blatantly use sexuality to get what they want. I almost never go to strip clubs or Hooters type restaurants for this very reason. I find it insulting to my intelligence.

My thoughts on how I think an airline should be run are very vanilla. It's something I feel most people would find appealing. Some people might like purple draped on the windows and midgets dressed up like clowns serving drinks. Obviously one can't cater to what everyone’s particular tastes are.

Most people would have difficulty summing up their whole character in a few paragraphs on a public forum. I don't think you really understand my character or personality. I'd love to sit down and have a beer with each one of you and really talk. I think you would find I am not the boogieman you have convinced yourself I am.

Cheers

True - hard to get personality from a few posts. But, when you make a generalization like this...

Moral of the story. Women use sex to their advantage until they can't pull it off anymore. Then they expect everyone to feel sorry for them. That doesn't fly with me. The only ones I feel bad for are the ugly chicks who could never pull off the whole cutesy act.

...what do you expect?

 

[cfii2007]

I love hot women.

 

[cfii2007]

And for some very lucky women, it just keeps going and going and going!

HEY NOW!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Qgar]

HEY NOW!!!!!!!!!!

Just for the record, Toonces, wouldn't you agree that men use their charm as well to get what they want?

 

[wzgrza]

Holy crap, what happened??!!

I never argued people will pay 50$ more to fly with ONLY a good looking crew. I would'nt even do that.

As for another posters comments about why I care if the F/As are attractive or not; I am well aware that I will not be "tapping" it. It has nothing to do with me going to the lav and joining the couple mile high club with my hand. Maybe that is the first thing that comes to your mind when you think about it, but not mine. Just because I see an attractive person, does not mean I will dry hump their leg..

Also, stupid, young big breasted girls do not appeal to me, either.. well looks wise, probably yes, but I would'nt want one for a companion. A girl does not have to be a model to be attractive.. she could be average and still be attractive.. it all depends on how she carries herself.

Everything I have mentioned about good looking crews, was always coupled with nice aircraft, better food (not talking about having your own cook here), clean aircraft, with everyone dressed nicely and professionaly. So that when a crew walks by, you think damn, they look good. This does not mean all 30 year old flight attendants should be kicked off the plane at FL350.

I think these things would boost ticket sales for an airline. As has been mentioned before, some people will go on expedia and pick the cheapest ticket, even if the world's best airline with the best service is only 10$ more. That is not the case for everyone, and I think if an airline in the U.S got a reputation for being better then the others, they would be favored over other airlines by customers. Since for the most part they are all the same, I too shop using expedia... because my choices arent all that great to begin with.

I guess this thread brought out all of the females on the board. If only all us pilots were so united.

And yes, If airline A and airline B are exactly the same, except airline A has attractive crew, most people would probably pick airline A.. probably even subconciously, without considering why they are actually picking airline A over airline B.

 

[SmoothLanderJ]

:laff:

OMG, can't stop laughing........


OK, I've composed myself now.

You think women in their 30's are past their prime! Oh, my. Did you know that a woman actually reaches her sexual peak in her 30's? Whereas men reach there's in their late teens/early 20's.

You couldnt be more right about that!!....:bandit:

 

[wzgrza]

It was like riding a greyhound bus and it made me feel a little discouraged about the path I'm headed down...

What do YOU think COULD be done to change this trend?

Flying cannot become like riding a greyhound bus. The closer and closer it gets to that, the worse off we all are. This is all the beginning of the problem. T&C's are at an all time low as it is now, imagine what it will be like when all you are is a greyhound bus driver. ( no offense to greyhound bus drivers ). That is why something a little old school, like good service on an airline, attractive F/As, good food, clean aircraft, might rejuvenate flying.. at least for some, who would choose to fly a particular airline for that extra something. I guess it all depends on how deep your pockets are, but if the price difference is 50-60$ for a long haul flight.. I personally would'nt think twice. Nobody is talking about being pampered like you do on NetJets, either.

 

[MQAAord]

Toonces, something has been bothering me, that I would like to address. It's actually not related to the issue of attractive F/As, but rather something I think could be a cause for serious concern:

Emergencies Hah. How often do those happen anyway? In the event one does happen, how many of the present crop of FA’s would be able to keep it together anyhow. As a customer I would rather have some eye candy to look at on a six hour flight than a 60 yr old granny to point to a door in the unlikely event we have a crash I will live through

Maybe I should have sent this via PM, but I'm gravely concerned about this display of cavalier attitude about emergencies. Are you a pilot? An airline pilot? Do you take your emergency training seriously, in being prepared for a serious emergency that can kill you and everyone else on that airplane? I guess it's the former instructor in me talking, but that kind of worries me....


As for:

Flying cannot become like riding a greyhound bus. The closer and closer it gets to that, the worse off we all are. This is all the beginning of the problem. T&C's are at an all time low as it is now, imagine what it will be like when all you are is a greyhound bus driver. ( no offense to greyhound bus drivers ). That is why something a little old school, like good service on an airline, attractive F/As, good food, clean aircraft, might rejuvenate flying.. at least for some, who would choose to fly a particular airline for that extra something. I guess it all depends on how deep your pockets are, but if the price difference is 50-60$ for a long haul flight.. I personally would'nt think twice. Nobody is talking about being pampered like you do on NetJets, either.

I gotta tell ya that it's too late. Airline flying already is mass transportation. The "glory days" are gone. Period. There is no bringing them back. Let's concentrate our efforts instead on making the future of air travel a good thing, for what it is. Instead of what it used to be.

And I think we (as in you and I) may be getting hung up on terminology. Let's replace attractive, with professional-looking for the crews, and I think we'll have an agreement. I firmly believe anyone can be professional-looking when wearing a neat, clean uniform, and observing professional grooming standards.

 

[wzgrza]

As for:


I gotta tell ya that it's too late. Airline flying already is mass transportation. The "glory days" are gone. Period. There is no bringing them back. Let's concentrate our efforts instead on making the future of air travel a good thing, for what it is. Instead of what it used to be.

And I think we (as in you and I) may be getting hung up on terminology. Let's replace attractive, with professional-looking for the crews, and I think we'll have an agreement. I firmly believe anyone can be professional-looking when wearing a neat, clean uniform, and observing professional grooming standards.

I agree the glory days are over, and it shows. But maybe its not too late to keep it from completely getting to a level when it really does become like getting on a bus. I think pilots as well as flight attendants need to take a little more pride in what we do (therefore the professional and well groomed looking part of it), and that right there is part of the solution. Don't get me wrong, I didnt get into flying for the "glamour" of it, but I don't think the profession should be razed any more then it already has been.

I just believe that a little extra pampering of passengers, by small, but noticable changes will make them feel like they are special.. or at least in a special enviorment, therefore making them think flying is at least somewhat special as well. Just kinda hurts to see those pilots/FAs walking through the terminals slouched over, coffee stained uniforms, looking like they just got out of bed. I think we all deserve a little more. Afterall, flying is our passion, and we should treat it as such. Of course management would have to cooperate to make this work... and that is one thing we all know they will never do, too much greed.

And what I mean as an example is something along the lines and similar to some of the Asian/MiddleEastern/European cariers. They are doing it, why shouldnt the U.S cariers be able to match the quality?

 

[Qgar]

I'm glad to see this thread turn into a mature dialogue. It looks like we all agree on some major issues dealing with "professionalism."

 

[tonyw]

t all seems o.k to them until they hit 30 something and gravity and time take their toll. Then we get the same women who used their sexuality in their prime to get the things they wanted, demand that looks shouldn't be taken into consideration.

Man, you really are showing your complete lack of experience with women right here.

A real woman doesn't trade on her looks to get what she wants. She just goes out and gets it.

Give me a woman like that any time over a girl who thinks that just because she's pretty I'm going to give her what she wants.

I'm not.

Your attitude reminds me of the attitudes of a bunch of men one of the most successful saleswomen I've ever worked with pitched to. She was a former Ms. Arizona, and she was very smart. She knew the data I pulled up for her cold but when we went to the pitch, she said, I'm going to act dumb. You back me up and give them the numbers.

I said, why, you know it just as good as I do. She said just do it.

Anyway, we walk in for the pitch, and we do the introductions. The folks we're pitching to say if you can give us such and such, we have a deal.

So we go into it, and she's acting like she's a little ditzy. Not stupid, but a little flighty.

Anyway, at the end of the pitch, they say, we'll think it over and we'll get back to you.

Boom. Ditzy flighty girl gone, professional intelligent woman appears.

She nails them. She says, wait, you told me if we gave you such and such, we had a deal. Now the numbers Tony told you about show you that's exactly what you'll be getting with us. Do we have a deal or not?

Inked the contract right there.

That's hotter than any woman who's using her looks to get you to do what she wants.

 

[surreal1221]

Charge a little bit more per ticket, and you might be able to improve the quality of passenger . . .

But that wouldn't be nice now would it. . .






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