The War Hoover makes history! President gets a trap!
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chunk75
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he flew as a sensor operator on those thing before his job became obsolete.
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yeah yeah That's crap. F-ing budget cutbacks. I don't think ASW is an obsolete mission. Over 80 countries operate submarines. It's the cheap way to have a stealth weapon. A coupla torpedoes into the side of a carrier is unfortunately gonna be what it takes to wake the Navy up.
With the S-3 no longer doing ASW, the only organic ASW asset to the boat is the HS squadron, and as we all know, helo's couldn't find a sub in open ocean if it surfaced and played Black Sabbath @ 120dB.
Chunk
he flew as a sensor operator on those thing before his job became obsolete.
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yeah yeah That's crap. F-ing budget cutbacks. I don't think ASW is an obsolete mission. Over 80 countries operate submarines. It's the cheap way to have a stealth weapon. A coupla torpedoes into the side of a carrier is unfortunately gonna be what it takes to wake the Navy up.
With the S-3 no longer doing ASW, the only organic ASW asset to the boat is the HS squadron, and as we all know, helo's couldn't find a sub in open ocean if it surfaced and played Black Sabbath @ 120dB.
Chunk
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[yeah yeah That's crap. F-ing budget cutbacks. I don't think ASW is an obsolete mission. Over 80 countries operate submarines. It's the cheap way to have a stealth weapon. A coupla torpedoes into the side of a carrier is unfortunately gonna be what it takes to wake the Navy up.
With the S-3 no longer doing ASW, the only organic ASW asset to the boat is the HS squadron, and as we all know, helo's couldn't find a sub in open ocean if it surfaced and played Black Sabbath @ 120dB.
Chunk
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Couple of years back, Australia sent a pic of the Kitty Hawk in the perisope sights of an Aussie diesel-electric sub during a war games exercise.
USNs blue-water experts were a little miffed. hehe
But it was said that the diesel boats are harder to detect/track than the nukes.
Were you an AW?
[yeah yeah That's crap. F-ing budget cutbacks. I don't think ASW is an obsolete mission. Over 80 countries operate submarines. It's the cheap way to have a stealth weapon. A coupla torpedoes into the side of a carrier is unfortunately gonna be what it takes to wake the Navy up.
With the S-3 no longer doing ASW, the only organic ASW asset to the boat is the HS squadron, and as we all know, helo's couldn't find a sub in open ocean if it surfaced and played Black Sabbath @ 120dB.
Chunk
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Couple of years back, Australia sent a pic of the Kitty Hawk in the perisope sights of an Aussie diesel-electric sub during a war games exercise.
USNs blue-water experts were a little miffed. hehe
But it was said that the diesel boats are harder to detect/track than the nukes.
Were you an AW?
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Any truth to the rumor a couple of years ago about a couple of MIGs buzzing the flight deck of a carrier and taking photos. Story has it that it took the ship 15 minutes to get a pair of F-14's airborne to escort them away.
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Happened in 2000. Pair of Russian SU-24 Fencers buzzed a carrier (can't remember which one) and the carrier and screen ships didn't get a "kill" on them. They also took some pics of the carrier and support ships, then faxed them to the Carrier Group Admiral; who was pissed.
The carrier only managed to get an EA-6B Prowler airborne to counter the Fencers. hehe
Any truth to the rumor a couple of years ago about a couple of MIGs buzzing the flight deck of a carrier and taking photos. Story has it that it took the ship 15 minutes to get a pair of F-14's airborne to escort them away.
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Happened in 2000. Pair of Russian SU-24 Fencers buzzed a carrier (can't remember which one) and the carrier and screen ships didn't get a "kill" on them. They also took some pics of the carrier and support ships, then faxed them to the Carrier Group Admiral; who was pissed.
The carrier only managed to get an EA-6B Prowler airborne to counter the Fencers. hehe
chunk75
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Yeah, it happened on the Kitty Hawk. The only thing the air wing threw up was a Prowler, which was fairly worthless. The skipper tried to downplay it as less than it was. The Russkies heard this and emailed the boat with pics the next day! Dontcha just love technology!
Chunk <--Former AW
PS---Here's a picture that I call, "Failure."
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Chunk <--Former AW
PS---Here's a picture that I call, "Failure."
Chunk's Home on the web
chunk75
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Alright smart@ss....try this. The page isn't pretty...I threw it together in 30 seconds.
http://www.geocities.com/chunk75/photos.html
http://www.geocities.com/chunk75/photos.html
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Chunk, what's the first picture of?
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Okay, let me rephrase. Come background info on the first picture please. I guess I let myself open for,"uhhhhhh...it's a picture of boats"
chunk75
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I can't take credit for that photo. I believe it's a Type 209 diesel sub that surfaced in front of a carrier....kind of an "oh crap" moment for a carrier. Type 209s are used by so many different countries, it's impossible to tell who it is. It may very well be the moment described earlier.
Gary Coleman on a chicken...well, that's just too funny not to put out there.
The Hoover shooting off flares is a publicity shot done for Lockheed Martin.
Gary Coleman on a chicken...well, that's just too funny not to put out there.
The Hoover shooting off flares is a publicity shot done for Lockheed Martin.
Hey Chunk, here's another picture for your website!
I thought you would get a kick out of it!
I thought you would get a kick out of it!
Snow
'Not a new member'
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Couple of years back, Australia sent a pic of the Kitty Hawk in the perisope sights of an Aussie diesel-electric sub during a war games exercise.
USNs blue-water experts were a little miffed. hehe
But it was said that the diesel boats are harder to detect/track than the nukes.
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An Australian sub took pictures of the top secret propellers of one of the US carriers during exercises. Apparently the design is so secret that they remove them underwater before going into dry dock. The Australian designed subs are among the quietest if not the quietest in the world.
I think electric motors simply make less noise than nuclear reactors plus you can turn them off and sit dead silent in the water unlike a nuclear powered sub.
As for the thing with the Russians buzzing a carrier, isn't there supposed to be 2 F-14s in the air at any given time?
I don't think any one country would have the guts to attack a carrier even if they could, the retribution wouldn't be worth it. Just hope terrorist or something don't get hold of a sub quiet enough to seek up on a carrier.
While I'm rambling on, has anyone heard about that radical 'save the whales' group that actually owns an ex military sub and uses it to attack whaling ships!? I saw a documentary on it a while a go.
Couple of years back, Australia sent a pic of the Kitty Hawk in the perisope sights of an Aussie diesel-electric sub during a war games exercise.
USNs blue-water experts were a little miffed. hehe
But it was said that the diesel boats are harder to detect/track than the nukes.
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An Australian sub took pictures of the top secret propellers of one of the US carriers during exercises. Apparently the design is so secret that they remove them underwater before going into dry dock. The Australian designed subs are among the quietest if not the quietest in the world.
I think electric motors simply make less noise than nuclear reactors plus you can turn them off and sit dead silent in the water unlike a nuclear powered sub.
As for the thing with the Russians buzzing a carrier, isn't there supposed to be 2 F-14s in the air at any given time?
I don't think any one country would have the guts to attack a carrier even if they could, the retribution wouldn't be worth it. Just hope terrorist or something don't get hold of a sub quiet enough to seek up on a carrier.
While I'm rambling on, has anyone heard about that radical 'save the whales' group that actually owns an ex military sub and uses it to attack whaling ships!? I saw a documentary on it a while a go.
chunk75
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Nuttin really special about a carrier's screws...US submarines's screws however, are a different story. Especially Boomers. Mitsubishi sold the Russkies some technology that we shared with them, so we share NO MORE! <--Add soup nazi voice.
Aussie subs (Collins class, Oberons as well) are good quiet subs, but the all time record is still held by the Ohios. The Seawolf class is *almost* as quiet. Ohio's are simply untrackable, unless they want to be tracked. Now that's not an easy thing for a guy like me to say...it was my job to track subs, but man, Ohios are friggin' holes in the water. Literally quieter than the ambient noise.
Chunk
Aussie subs (Collins class, Oberons as well) are good quiet subs, but the all time record is still held by the Ohios. The Seawolf class is *almost* as quiet. Ohio's are simply untrackable, unless they want to be tracked. Now that's not an easy thing for a guy like me to say...it was my job to track subs, but man, Ohios are friggin' holes in the water. Literally quieter than the ambient noise.
Chunk
I thought it was Toshiba?
I remember because someone gave me a lot of grief back when I owned a Toshiba laptop...
Nevermind the fact that the guy proudly owned a Volkswagen
"Hey, talk to your WW2 vet grandfather about your compulsion for farfughnugen?"
ha!
I remember because someone gave me a lot of grief back when I owned a Toshiba laptop...
Nevermind the fact that the guy proudly owned a Volkswagen
ha!
chunk75
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Nice catch, Doug. You're right. And a different country sold them the 5 dimensional lathes required to make them...it was a scandanavian country...can't remember.
Doesn't matter....Walker gave them more info than they could ever use. I was shown a graph of SPL's of Russian subs vs. American subs. The American subs gradually got quieter as our technology improved; a fairly steady line.
The Sov's line was way above ours (noisier) and then in one year, a totally vertical line that pushed their levels WAYYYY down compared to where they were. Overlaid was another vertical line that just said, "Walker".
It was like a whole new fleet.
Chunk
Doesn't matter....Walker gave them more info than they could ever use. I was shown a graph of SPL's of Russian subs vs. American subs. The American subs gradually got quieter as our technology improved; a fairly steady line.
The Sov's line was way above ours (noisier) and then in one year, a totally vertical line that pushed their levels WAYYYY down compared to where they were. Overlaid was another vertical line that just said, "Walker".
It was like a whole new fleet.
Chunk