The Great Jumpseat War of 2019

Wait.

Is it me, or is SAPA just trying to save face.

How is this final agreement any different than the original proposed if they had signed in the first place, with maybe an exception for "other defined personnel" on United?


Come on Acrofox, you're a writer. Surely you can see past the SAPA written BS.
 
Me trying to figure out WTF happened the last week with UA jumpseating:

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The disagreement was that United pilots wanted higher priority over UAX on all the UAX flights. Apparently the agreement was not a negotiation but a sign it or leave kinda deal. The attached is what was offered to skywest, republic and Mesa and, according to the union, was the deal all the way up until the decision was made to pull the jumpseat access. The letter from UAL union from the 15th shows a priority that was not offered or discussed to those UAX carriers.

So it's either the the United union tried pulling a fast one....the regional unions are lying.....or.....(my favorite) there was a massive breakdown in communication between the leaderships of the unions. Hard to say.

Like I said. We be arguing the details for years to come.
 

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BigZ said:
Beats me. Captain Tool briefed the GA to let him know if there's any pilots upstairs? See above, the pilot denied was @ozziecat35 's classmate
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@Derg the story as it was related to me directly by the affected pilot. In ORD, listed for an OO jumpseat on an American Eagle painted jet. OO CA blatantly denies him. He hustles to Terminal 1 and while enroute, lists as a non-rev / checks in for an OO operated UAX flight. He arrives, door is closed, but jetway attached, they were on a mx delay. (So in theory, flight could have been closed out.) He asks the gate agent if there's any chance to get on...she says yeah, the door is still open, they were doing some mx stuff, let me call down. He doesn't hear the other end of the phone call, but the gate agent says "Yeah he's an Air Wisconsin pilot." Now, was this miscommunication? He'll never no. Gate agent says no. Flight pushes 10 minutes or so later. Other agent comes up, saying the OO captain asked if the non-rev up top was a UAL or UAX Exclusive pilot, when he was told he was a Whiskey guy, the CA said no. It's not clear if they tried to tell him he was listed as a basic scum non-rev. The flight had open seats in the back.

I can see a couple places in the story where there could have been confusion, or they were legit done with mx and trying to get the door closed.

In the end, company ended up positive spacing him on an OO flight later and he got home.


I'm also legit planning on buying one of these:

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I'm sure it's possible it happened as it appears there are a lot of idiots at my company but there are a couple details that don't make sense. If the flights are that close together why wouldn't he have just listed as a non-rev on the United flight especially if he can see loads on the United flight and not the American flight.
 
Cory Trevor said:
I'm sure it's possible it happened as it appears there are a lot of idiots at my company but there are a couple details that don't make sense. If the flights are that close together why wouldn't he have just listed as a non-rev on the United flight especially if he can see loads on the United flight and not the American flight.
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He did list as a non-rev on the UA flight.
 
Acrofox said:
I see you are confused... but with how much RABBLE RABBLE there's been, it's not surprising.

United can dictate priority on its own jumpseat, and it's expected that they will. They can take UAX exclusive first. The issue was never what happened on UAL or UAX-exclusive jumpseats... the issue was that they wanted the gate agents to send US jumpseaters based on that new priority, when we never agreed to those terms.

This walks the jumpseat agreement back to more or less how it was before this whole fiasco.

I really do think that SAPA did a poor job of communicating this clearly, and that everyone else was so busy screaming that they weren't paying attention to what they were screaming about. I strongly dislike the fact that we went straight to denying jumpseats, and would have preferred pushing UAL and UAL exclusive pilots to the bottom of the stack behind all other jumpseaters instead. But if people would just listen and THEN react instead of skipping the first step, it would have led to a lot less screaming.



I'm sick of hearing the term FOM violation. It's been used as a scare tactic by both sides, and neither is right.

-Fox
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Because SAPA kept moving the goal posts when they realized they waged a stupid war. Convenient. I pretty much called out exactly how it was going to go.
 
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