The Future of JC
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What I mean by that is that I think the up and comers are where they want to be now….as mentioned before, no need to network anymore. ,Life has taken over with job, family, kids, whatever the case, and the general time to place towards doing more than perusing here and there, or arguing in the Lav (ha!) just might not be as much as it once was for many.
Oh yeah, for sure.
NovemberEcho
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The FAA moved an entire area out of a building into another building before @Maximilian_Jenius got his CFI.
ERfly
Well-Known Member
And some of us left the passenger world because we were tired of being seen!
It's so nice walking through the airport not having to wear the "I Know Everything Shirt".
Probably the same guys who take over our Facebook group complaining about having having to fly at night. Um, dude, did you not know what we did?
Answering a text about the thread, it’s like this.
There are days that seem like I’m a bathroom attendant handing out squirts of soft soap for club goers to wash their hands after peeing. Then a quick squirt of hand lotion and waiting for a tip to validate what I’m doing. How many times have I had to tell people to chill TF out or remind them about being a ‘guest in my living room’ and it goes ignored? “Just put the soap in my hand, let me wash ‘em, just give me some hand cream so I don’t dry out and mind your business, Jeeves and you’d better throw a big party every October that I might show up to”
Some seek expert-level advice and, as arrogant as that sounds, I offer that. I think I have enough experience in the industry from a few different angles to have a basic idea of what the heck I’m talking about at this point. I throw stuff “over the castle wall” with regularity that dances around close to violating a number of NDA’s I’ve signed.
But a growing number seek validation or a sounding board for their various grievances and I’m not sure if that’s my life’s work, in between pleas to chill out and be kind to one another.
Deep thoughts.
I’m not on the verge of shutting it down, I just need to know what you guys want and what you feel is valuable.
There are days that seem like I’m a bathroom attendant handing out squirts of soft soap for club goers to wash their hands after peeing. Then a quick squirt of hand lotion and waiting for a tip to validate what I’m doing. How many times have I had to tell people to chill TF out or remind them about being a ‘guest in my living room’ and it goes ignored? “Just put the soap in my hand, let me wash ‘em, just give me some hand cream so I don’t dry out and mind your business, Jeeves and you’d better throw a big party every October that I might show up to”
Some seek expert-level advice and, as arrogant as that sounds, I offer that. I think I have enough experience in the industry from a few different angles to have a basic idea of what the heck I’m talking about at this point. I throw stuff “over the castle wall” with regularity that dances around close to violating a number of NDA’s I’ve signed.
But a growing number seek validation or a sounding board for their various grievances and I’m not sure if that’s my life’s work, in between pleas to chill out and be kind to one another.
Deep thoughts.
I’m not on the verge of shutting it down, I just need to know what you guys want and what you feel is valuable.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
I have been a member for a long time. Pretty sure I signed up for JC before I was a professional pilot and now I have been a major airline captain for years. I hope to see the droves of next-generation pilots on this website getting advice and mentoring.
JC needs to be around forever.
JC needs to be around forever.
Back in the day, I could tell FlightSafety I wanted X and they’d pay X+Y for extra exclusivity, but then you had ATP, Ari Ben, SkyMates, PSA Airlines, CommuteAir various mom ‘n’ pops advertisers, but once the various financial crises hit and the loan money dried up, so did the advertising revenue and Google basically became the “1980’s Record Label Model” of the online advertising world where Salt N Peppa could sell 10 million albums and go on a world-wide tour, but still have to busk in the train station to pay for groceries for the week.
Since the industry-wide collapse of direct sale CPM PPV advertising sales shifted to performance-based GoogleAds, JC currently makes a little under $2k/year down from an absolute mid-2000’s peak of about $45K/year (direct ad sales, lots of flight schools, Key Bank loans flowing). It’s been sub-$4K/year for at least the last decade or so.
Now, annual costs are about $3K a year (amortized server lease, software licensing fees, domain name services, etc) so at best it loses about a grand/year, which is fine.
If it was for the money, I could literally pick up a one day trip on a “Green Slip” fly a DTW-MSP-DTW turn and make more in a single day than JC does in a year!
. Running a website is a truly inefficient means of generating revenue.Everyone remember NJC 2010 at the Palms? That was a $48,000 budget, just as the industry shat itself and it generated about $18,000 in revenue, leaving a $30K deficit that I had to pay off just as advertising revenue tanked and my wife lost her job. How fun was that?
“Let’s go back to the Palms, man, that was FUN!” That’s probably more than I should have said, but I’m an open book.
bimmerphile
MCAS Meat Inhibition Logic
interesting peek behind the curtainBack in the day, I could tell FlightSafety I wanted X and they’d pay X+Y for extra exclusivity, but then you had ATP, Ari Ben, SkyMates, PSA Airlines, CommuteAir various mom ‘n’ pops advertisers, but once the various financial crises hit and the loan money dried up, so did the advertising revenue and Google basically became the “1980’s Record Label Model” of the online advertising world where Salt N Peppa could sell 10 million albums and go on a world-wide tour, but still have to busk in the train station to pay for groceries for the week.
Since the industry-wide collapse of direct sale CPM PPV advertising sales shifted to performance-based GoogleAds, JC currently makes a little under $2k/year down from an absolute mid-2000’s peak of about $45K/year (direct ad sales, lots of flight schools, Key Bank loans flowing). It’s been sub-$4K/year for at least the last decade or so.
Now, annual costs are about $3K a year (amortized server lease, software licensing fees, domain name services, etc) so at best it loses about a grand/year, which is fine.
If it was for the money, I could literally pick up a one day trip on a “Green Slip” fly a DTW-MSP-DTW turn and make more in a single day than JC does in a year!
Everyone remember NJC 2010 at the Palms? That was a $48,000 budget, just as the industry shat itself and it generated about $18,000 in revenue, leaving a $30K deficit that I had to pay off just as advertising revenue tanked and my wife lost her job. How fun was that?
That’s probably more than I should have said, but I’m an open book.
I know he's not, I was commenting on drumming up new users and doug having to shell out even more coin for his own ads on other sites
I do like the idea of bringing back the old JC landing page with different career profiles, I bet a lot of people would be willing to submit something that didn't have their username attached to it
jhugz
Well-Known Member
TLDR the rest of the thread
But honestly IMHO, hit delete on the lav and never look back. How much time and effort of the website/admins goes into that dumpster fire? Serious question…
There’s other forums/social media for that kind of stuff, and it doesn’t need to be here.
You’ve done a ton for the industry and could walk away from this tomorrow and no one would blame you. I hope you don’t, but would understand if you do.
Just let me know before you pull the plug because I got one last banger of a GoJet thread to go down with the ship.
But honestly IMHO, hit delete on the lav and never look back. How much time and effort of the website/admins goes into that dumpster fire? Serious question…
There’s other forums/social media for that kind of stuff, and it doesn’t need to be here.
You’ve done a ton for the industry and could walk away from this tomorrow and no one would blame you. I hope you don’t, but would understand if you do.
Just let me know before you pull the plug because I got one last banger of a GoJet thread to go down with the ship.
TLDR the rest of the thread
But honestly IMHO, hit delete on the lav and never look back. How much time and effort of the website/admins goes into that dumpster fire? Serious question…
A fair assessment here
The best advertisers were TAB Express. 
Bunch of both-loops backpack wearing, ear buds in wearing kids!
@derg Speaking of ear buds, I had to smack one of my agency’s late-20s age IPs because he was flying training flights with ear buds and listening to music while instructing and doing mission checks.
Bunch of both-loops backpack wearing, ear buds in wearing kids!
@derg Speaking of ear buds, I had to smack one of my agency’s late-20s age IPs because he was flying training flights with ear buds and listening to music while instructing and doing mission checks.
Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
I think it’s serves a purpose though. The “stuff” has to go somewhere and glad it’s the lav and it just in the middle of the room
roundout
VNAV monitor
Nailed itBack in the day, I could tell FlightSafety I wanted X and they’d pay X+Y for extra exclusivity, but then you had ATP, Ari Ben, SkyMates, PSA Airlines, CommuteAir various mom ‘n’ pops advertisers, but once the various financial crises hit and the loan money dried up, so did the advertising revenue and Google basically became the “1980’s Record Label Model” of the online advertising world where Salt N Peppa could sell 10 million albums and go on a world-wide tour, but still have to busk in the train station to pay for groceries for the week.
Since the industry-wide collapse of direct sale CPM PPV advertising sales shifted to performance-based GoogleAds, JC currently makes a little under $2k/year down from an absolute mid-2000’s peak of about $45K/year (direct ad sales, lots of flight schools, Key Bank loans flowing). It’s been sub-$4K/year for at least the last decade or so.
Now, annual costs are about $3K a year (amortized server lease, software licensing fees, domain name services, etc) so at best it loses about a grand/year, which is fine.
If it was for the money, I could literally pick up a one day trip on a “Green Slip” fly a DTW-MSP-DTW turn and make more in a single day than JC does in a year!
Everyone remember NJC 2010 at the Palms? That was a $48,000 budget, just as the industry shat itself and it generated about $18,000 in revenue, leaving a $30K deficit that I had to pay off just as advertising revenue tanked and my wife lost her job. How fun was that?
That’s probably more than I should have said, but I’m an open book.
The amount of garbage dumped in other forums that has to be shoveled over into the Lav does sometimes get annoying. At least it will eventually disappear in the blue goo in that landfill.
JDean3204
Well-Known Member
TLDR the rest of the thread
But honestly IMHO, hit delete on the lav and never look back. How much time and effort of the website/admins goes into that dumpster fire? Serious question…
There’s other forums/social media for that kind of stuff, and it doesn’t need to be here.
You’ve done a ton for the industry and could walk away from this tomorrow and no one would blame you. I hope you don’t, but would understand if you do.
Just let me know before you pull the plug because I got one last banger of a GoJet thread to go down with the ship.
I agree, if new users see the way pilots act in the lav, they’ll never want to be a part of that. It gets embarrassing to say the least
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