The difference between a drug charge and a DUI

MikeD said:
I got a Letter of Admonishment for failure to protect government property. And told that my career was over right there as a Second Lieutenant. Somehow I still managed to wander over to the F-117. :)

Which is ironic, because my act of releasing the rabbit to the wild, instead of allowing it to be killed for the purpose of survival training out there in the field, was protecting government property.
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Rabbit tastes delicious let me tell you!

"Who has never been hunting?"
Young female 2LT raises her hand. Guess who demonstrated in front of the class how to prepare bugs bunny?

The best school I hope to never use or repeat!
 
Nark said:
Rabbit tastes delicious let me tell you!

"Who has never been hunting?"
Young female 2LT raises her hand. Guess who demonstrated in front of the class how to prepare bugs bunny?

The best school I hope to never use or repeat!
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Release the bunny. Run! Be free!
 
I know a lot of people who used to smoke but gave it up for this career a long time ago....

It's not impossible to stop. All about what you want to do.

Sorry this response is a bit delayed but I figure you can relate...
 
Boris Badenov said:
I didn't mean to suggest that these hilarious, absurd abrogations of personal responsibility are purely generational. These kids, these days, you know. *eyeroll*

I will say that I've been behind the eight ball a few times in my life, and it never occurred to me to do anything other than put my hand up and say "Welp, think I screwed up pretty bad. I own it. Do what thou wilt, but please be gentle". What else is there to say? Do the crime, do the time, don't be a female dog about it.
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I'm replying as one of the only people I know who has never done drugs other than the occasional aspirin, dip, or beer (well, maybe more than occasional for the beer), so perhaps that makes my opinion invalid or puts me in some rarely invoked "protected class". That said, from my perspective, the fog that envelops the swamp comprising our various state and federal drug laws and their various and sundry capricious applications is a freaking miasma. I'm not advocating for wholesale elimination of all restriction around all drugs, but even that might be better than what we currently face. If I were king, drugs would likely be legal and it would be an individual's choice and responsibility to use or not use... thus ending the endless pork barrel spend that is the current radar-detector, radar-gun like arms race that keeps the war on drugs endlessly ongoing and endlessly profitable for bad guys on both sides of "legitimacy". But with that environment, there would be ongoing drug testing for ALL jobs. That would just be part of the bargain... if you want to get paid to work, you don't show up high or with residuals. As it stands now, people with no responsibility can show up for work high as a kite. Heck they can -and do- get high on the job. But remember, these are only people who work in low responsibility jobs... you know, folks like investment bankers, doctors, and lawyers.
Meanwhile you can buy and smoke dope legally in several states while concurrently breaking federal law.
I don't want a foolish consistency to be a hobgoblin for my little mind, but at least modicum of consistency would sure make things easier and saner.
 
Nark said:
Rabbit tastes delicious let me tell you!

"Who has never been hunting?"
Young female 2LT raises her hand. Guess who demonstrated in front of the class how to prepare bugs bunny?

The best school I hope to never use or repeat!
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We named ours after the 18 yo Airman who was in Boom training.... She may have cried... She got over it because she was hungry
 
Crop Duster said:
I don't want a foolish consistency to be a hobgoblin for my little mind, but at least modicum of consistency would sure make things easier and saner.
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I agree with literally everything you said, here. Proper use of "literally", I think? It's almost as tricky as "ironic". But to paraphrase Sec. Rumsfeld, there's the rational, sane policy we want, and the, uh well, let's draw the curtain of charity over the adjectives and just say "the policy we have". And so long as we have the later, it's not hard to figure out how to stay clear of it. Don't do the drugz. *shrug*

I'm not, btw, suggesting that this is a particularly easy thing to do...depending upon one's environment, it might be anything from absolutely certain due to lack of availability to the next thing to impossible. But it is fairly clear and obvious. This is, of course, presupposing that there even IS such a thing as "free will", which is a thorny question for a different forum (or at least a different thread), probably.
 
Derg said:
That's cool, everyone's got an uncle who dropped out of high school at 14 and is a CEO of a multi-billion dollar company.

BUT

You can't smoke dope and be an airline pilot.

You can stop smoking dope, get clean, then become an airline pilot but those are two activities which are disastrous when blended.

I'm not trying to be a dick to you, I'm trying to be direct so I don't get flooded with more "Dear Dough, I had three weeks of vacation and the dreadlocked man at the Cheba Hut in Cancun said that this magic fairy dust will 'cleanse' my body of traces of THC…"
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Dear @Derg,

You are not a dick.

Your pal,
BEEF

P.S. I don't smoke the dope either.
 
Crop Duster said:
I'm replying as one of the only people I know who has never done drugs other than the occasional aspirin, dip, or beer (well, maybe more than occasional for the beer), so perhaps that makes my opinion invalid or puts me in some rarely invoked "protected class". That said, from my perspective, the fog that envelops the swamp comprising our various state and federal drug laws and their various and sundry capricious applications is a freaking miasma. I'm not advocating for wholesale elimination of all restriction around all drugs, but even that might be better than what we currently face. If I were king, drugs would likely be legal and it would be an individual's choice and responsibility to use or not use... thus ending the endless pork barrel spend that is the current radar-detector, radar-gun like arms race that keeps the war on drugs endlessly ongoing and endlessly profitable for bad guys on both sides of "legitimacy". But with that environment, there would be ongoing drug testing for ALL jobs. That would just be part of the bargain... if you want to get paid to work, you don't show up high or with residuals. As it stands now, people with no responsibility can show up for work high as a kite. Heck they can -and do- get high on the job. But remember, these are only people who work in low responsibility jobs... you know, folks like investment bankers, doctors, and lawyers.
Meanwhile you can buy and smoke dope legally in several states while concurrently breaking federal law.
I don't want a foolish consistency to be a hobgoblin for my little mind, but at least modicum of consistency would sure make things easier and saner.
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The problem with making all drugs legal is that a lot of illegal drugs out there don't only hurt the user. Family members and friends can be one victims in all sorts of ways, as well as innocent bystanders. People on these drugs often become paranoid, unable to think rationally, and end up hurting others.

That being said, marijuana probably doesn't belong in that category. Law Enforcement should probably focus more of their efforts on the production and distribution as well, versus arresting so many for individual possession.
 
There's some truth in that there. If you, like me, are from Flyover Country, chances are you've seen at least a small little bit of the absolute carnage Meth leaves in its toothless, twitching, neurally screwed-for-life wake. Anyone who sells it should be drug (if you'll pardon the expression) in to the street and summarily executed. Bonus points for pre-execution torture. Crack isn't too terribly far behind.

That said, marijuana is about as physically dangerous to the human body as a warm hug. I personally can't stand the stuff...as in like I would have a hard time deciding between a puff on even a weak spliff and a root canal. But it doesn't, itself, destroy bodies or lives a lot more than they were already destroying themselves.

THAT said, you still can't partake if you want to fly airplanes. Don't cry about it, or you'll be sent to your room. And don't slam the door.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I don't know the details in terms of if he entered a program. My understanding of HIMS is you have to enter it voluntarily before you screw up and/or get caught. I suppose if alcohol was involved, then the saving grace may have been not flying, or touching an airplane, but it's still a company business overnight so I don't know what the repercussions are for something like that.
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To be clear, it depends on a few variables, but you can get caught and then enter the program.
 
Seggy said:
To be clear, it depends on a few variables, but you can get caught and then enter the program.
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IMS, your status here if you disclose a substance abuse program during a disciplinary proceeding, is termination with conditional reinstatement. (I think. I'd have to drag the manual out, TBQH, it's one side of our pilot assistance programs I'm not super familiar with.)
 
Autothrust Blue said:
IMS, your status here if you disclose a substance abuse program during a disciplinary proceeding, is termination with conditional reinstatement. (I think. I'd have to drag the manual out, TBQH, it's one side of our pilot assistance programs I'm not super familiar with.)
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Yeah, there are a few ways to skin that cat that being one of them. Some places just delay the discipline proceeding as well.
 
Like @Derg has stated numerous times, don't do drugs. Period. Don't try to beat the system because you will fail. I have not heard of anyone getting hired at a major airline with a drug conviction.

A DUI conviction is a different story. Some airlines requires 10, years, some 5 years and I have seen 2 years but it was a regional airline.

The Pinnacle guy who was arrested is a great person. I did his prep for his Delta interview and walked him through step by step about how to explain his arrest. He changed his life around for the better. That is why Delta hired him.
 
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