The Benefit of Social Networking...

Facebook was not for me. There is a reason I no longer stay in touch with people from highschool . I just don't care to see 'them' anymore. Aside from sentimental whoring, social media is just another means of communication.

I grew up in a time when emergencies and instant communication weren't possible. It's the rhythm I am accustomed to, thus when I retire, I won't have a cellphone. No. Way.

My generation doesn't want to be 'available for your needs 24/7'. For the next generation, it's just a natural way of life. One will be forever 'knocking at the door' while the other will be 'forever not answering unless I HAVE to'.
 
Great thread. Sorry I hadn't seen it sooner. Because I rely on social media so heavily in my photography business, I have had to learn "the rules" of intertwining my "real life" with my life on the web.

We have seen, even under the most difficult situations, social media explode. When Egypt went through 2 revolutions, the internet was alive with the documentation of those events. Syria is the same thing. It's here to stay. If, while shooting at someone, one takes the time to document the events under duress and under threat of loss of life, only to upload it it to YouTube, or Twitter, you should understand that it has importance.

Another thing that I have learned; there is NO anonymity. I have found a number of you heathens on Facebook, without knowing much, or, perhaps even a real name. As such, EVERYTHING that is posted is under scrutiny. It's why I've changed my posting behavior on forums. There are a number of issues which I am passionate about. You don't care, and 9 out of 10 times it reads like I am a complete •; which I am, but you get the point.

It sticks: What you write has a way of ingraining itself into others' minds.There are several threads here that, unless there is a "come to Jesus" moment, I could not EVER endorse the member of the forum if they applied to where I worked, or needed endorsing for anything. I hate to say it, but there are several members that I could just never put my name on.

I have learned of several friends' deaths that I would not have learned otherwise. I find value in that as I valued those relationships, and was able to either attend services, or send condolences.

Professionally, social media has led to my business exploding. I won't elaborate on that here, but social media has done incredible things for me professionally. Like this website, it has allowed me to forge better relationships with the people in the aviation community.
 
cezzna said:
Facebook was not for me. There is a reason I no longer stay in touch with people from highschool . I just don't care to see 'them' anymore. Aside from sentimental whoring, social media is just another means of communication.

I grew up in a time when emergencies and instant communication weren't possible. It's the rhythm I am accustomed to, thus when I retire, I won't have a cellphone. No. Way.

My generation doesn't want to be 'available for your needs 24/7'. For the next generation, it's just a natural way of life. One will be forever 'knocking at the door' while the other will be 'forever not answering unless I HAVE to'.
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Can I ask what your age is? I didn't have a cell phone until college (and no internet until the middle of highschool), so most of my upbringing was sans "insta-communication," as well. True of anyone over 30, really.
 
dasleben said:
Can I ask what your age is? I didn't have a cell phone until college (and no internet until the middle of highschool), so most of my upbringing was sans "insta-communication," as well. True of anyone over 30, really.
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It really is amazing how much our society has changed in that regard.

I remember when our school had the internet installed and that was a huge friggin deal. Wires running down the hallway and into every single room. Now if I forget my smartphone when I head to the bathroom its a friggin disaster.

Just look at my car, its an '02. The only place that I can put my phone where it doesn't go flying every time I go around a corner is the cassette deck.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
It really is amazing how much our society has changed in that regard.

I remember when our school had the internet installed and that was a huge friggin deal. Wires running down the hallway and into every single room. Now if I forget my smartphone when I head to the bathroom its a friggin disaster.

Just look at my car, its an '02. The only place that I can put my phone where it doesn't go flying every time I go around a corner is the cassette deck.
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TIL: Don't borrow @Screaming_Emu's phone.
 
"This" disturbs me. Not social networking or the like. The power grab that folks seem to be getting from it.

I'll make this promise here. Hopefully in the next year I will be in the position to do some hiring. I won't care who is on your friends list, what meet and greet you did or did not make it to, hell I won't care if your cover letter and resume are done in crayon. If you're the best person for the job and the rest of my fellow minions want to have a steak dinner with you, you're in. Simple as that.
 
Dugie8 said:
I'll make this promise here. Hopefully in the next year I will be in the position to do some hiring. I won't care who is on your friends list, what meet and greet you did or did not make it to, hell I won't care if your cover letter and resume are done in crayon. If you're the best person for the job and the rest of my fellow minions want to have a steak dinner with you, you're in. Simple as that.
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Unless missed something, I don't think that's quite what dasleben was saying. I think he's saying that social networking actually is decent place to get to know people...for better or worse. Looking at somebody's Facebook page is a pretty good tool in my opinion to figure out whether or not you'd like to have a steak dinner with someone. It certainly doesn't paint the whole picture, but it helps.
 
Dugie8 said:
"This" disturbs me. Not social networking or the like. The power grab that folks seem to be getting from it.

I'll make this promise here. Hopefully in the next year I will be in the position to do some hiring. I won't care who is on your friends list, what meet and greet you did or did not make it to, hell I won't care if your cover letter and resume are done in crayon. If you're the best person for the job and the rest of my fellow minions want to have a steak dinner with you, you're in. Simple as that.
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Not sure I get the "power grab" part of your post...can you expand on that?

@Screaming_Emu hit the mark. Social networking allows people to network and market themselves to a much larger audience, for better or for worse.
 
"Going to bat" for someone over someone else based off of postings and "facebooking" vs going to bat for the person with the best credentials or actively black balling someone over message board posts that you don't agree with, etc. IE, power grab.

This isn't product advertisement. We (pilots) need to be pushing for the best people whom match the culture of the operation to be hired into the seats. Not the guy who snow boards a lot and has cool pictures on his instagram account.

I know it's the wave of the future and either get onboard or get out of the way. Doesn't mean I have to like it or endorse it OR if given the chance apply it.


It all seems like high school "cool gang" clique BS. It is saddening that someone's facebook page, et al, is being viewed as a good way to get to know someone.

I digress. Nothing I can do or say will alter the way all of this will go, just venting.
 
Dugie8 said:
"Going to bat" for someone over someone else based off of postings and "facebooking" vs going to bat for the person with the best credentials or actively black balling someone over message board posts that you don't agree with, etc. IE, power grab.

This isn't product advertisement. We (pilots) need to be pushing for the best people whom match the culture of the operation to be hired into the seats. Not the guy who snow boards a lot and has cool pictures on his instagram account.

I know it's the wave of the future and either get onboard or get out of the way. Doesn't mean I have to like it or endorse it OR if given the chance apply it.


It all seems like high school "cool gang" clique BS. It is saddening that someone's facebook page, et al, is being viewed as a good way to get to know someone.

I digress. Nothing I can do or say will alter the way all of this will go, just venting.
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I don't know if you read the original posting I wrote, but I don't advocate recommendations for hiring based on Facebook or social media alone, and certainly not for snowboard pictures(?). I specifically have to know someone personally.

But like it or not, someone who's a jerk on the website will still shoot themselves in the foot. No "inner circle" BS there, just negative networking with a greater audience.
 
Dugie8 said:
It's what gets constituted being a jerk. There's no balance.
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That's true in real life, too. Someone who's quiet at first often gets labeled as rude or unfriendly, even if it may not be the case. That said, I think we all have a decent idea who the problem children are on this website and others. They negatively network themselves into a corner.
 
Dugie8 said:
"Going to bat" for someone over someone else based off of postings and "facebooking" vs going to bat for the person with the best credentials or actively black balling someone over message board posts that you don't agree with, etc. IE, power grab.

This isn't product advertisement. We (pilots) need to be pushing for the best people whom match the culture of the operation to be hired into the seats. Not the guy who snow boards a lot and has cool pictures on his instagram account.

I know it's the wave of the future and either get onboard or get out of the way. Doesn't mean I have to like it or endorse it OR if given the chance apply it.


It all seems like high school "cool gang" clique BS. It is saddening that someone's facebook page, et al, is being viewed as a good way to get to know someone.

I digress. Nothing I can do or say will alter the way all of this will go, just venting.
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I'm not sure if you use Facebook at all. But if you do, I have a feeling it is in a vastly different manner than a lot of us.

I don't think @dasleben is saying stalk people's profile/photos and make hiring decisions based on that. If that's all people are doing, yeah I'd absolutely agree with your opinion on the matter.

There are a lot of people from jetcareers on my Facebook. I would say on a weekly basis, I probably communicate directly (side note, autocorrect tried to change that to "dirtily") with about 80% of them. I'll talk to them on messenger, share and discuss articles, etc. Occasionally I'll even see that we happen to be doing airport appreciation at the same time and we'll meet up for coffee.

I've gotten to know some absolutely stand up people through a combination of Jetcareers and social networking. My opinions of them haven't only been shaped by social networking, but the truth is, it really can be a great way to get to know each other.

So far through all these years, everyone who I have made an effort to meet based upon my opinion formed via JC and social networking have been fantastic people who I am privileged to call my friends. If I was in a position to help any of them gain employment at my current company, I absolutely would.

There are also a few people who I have met/crossed paths with that I haven't been big fans of. While I certainly wouldn't make the extra effort to blackball them, I certainly wouldn't write them a letter of recommendation either. And for me, this never comes down to a difference in opinions, but rather my observation on how they treat other human beings.
 
I use facebook for what most people do, keeping in touch with old friends and such. I also use it as a communication tool for the gym and my training. The biggest "abusers" of descent social protocol I see on facebook are all the people with something to sell. The only way, they think, to get someone's attention for a product is by being intentionally controversial and adversalent (word?). I guess I just don't see anything from folks that would sway my steak dinner decision one way or the other. I can't really think of anyone on here (JC) that I wouldn't open my door and kitchen table to if given the chance, even @JaceTheAce or @TXaviator , both of whom I have less than stellar posting history with.

I don't mean to repeat myself but it does bother me that there may be folks on here who hold or may hold a grudge based off of some ASCII symbols on a screen.
 
I am 46. The worst one for me was LinkedIn. What a farking disaster of a mistake that was. I deleted it several months ago but I still get emails that some ass hat who I emailed once six years ago, who joined some professional jack wagon network.

It's like seven degrees of Kevin Bacon. If Facebook is for people who can't let go of highschool, LinkedIn is for 'professionals' who just can't wait to show all of their flashy credentials and degrees. Does anyone take that place seriously??? Does the world really care if I am a member of the Piper cub association?? If I want an industry professional I will come here or some other place like NBAA.

Seriously, I can't get the emails to stop. People joke about airline stink. It's got nothing on internet stink. Once you sign up for some of these sites, it's like contracting Hepatitis C or some such thing.
 
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I got @Polar742 on the bandwagon! ;)

Just messing around, @Dugie8. I've known these guys outside the internet for quite a while, which is what @Screaming_Emu and I are saying: People who act poorly over social media are much less apt to be invited out for some face to face time.
 
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