Thank You Glenn Beck!!!!

aloft said:
Lol...I appreciate the offer, but no way would I want you to waste a day off on this. Let ALPA do the research, they've got research staffers for that (who are probably making more than you...oh, the irony!)
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ALPA's already done the research. I discussed this with Captain Rice a couple of years ago, asking many of the same questions that you have. His response was simple: "the research proves that people don't care. We'd waste untold millions trying to educate a group of people that won't care even after they're educated."
 
PCL_128 said:
ALPA's already done the research. I discussed this with Captain Rice a couple of years ago, asking many of the same questions that you have. His response was simple: "the research proves that people don't care. We'd waste untold millions trying to educate a group of people that won't care even after they're educated."
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Not trying to be sarcastic or to flame, but...

Is that it then? Game over?
 
ready2fly said:
Not trying to be sarcastic or to flame, but...

Is that it then? Game over?
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That depends on what you mean by "game over." ALPA certainly won't be wasting any resources on futile efforts, that's for sure. But improving the profession doesn't depend on the public giving a #### about us and our pay. We can improve our profession without the help of the flying public. But we won't get there by wasting resources on things that won't produce results.
 
aloft said:
Show me a single 757 FO with only those qualifications. I double-dog-dare you.



And maybe that's exactly the can of worms that needs to be opened in order to fix the problem.
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Present day, that might be difficult. I've heard stories about guys that were ab-initio hires off the street with 0 time,

It's all relative to the market what pilot hiring requirements (and relative experience as they move up airframe sizes) will be.
 
aloft said:
Now see, that's debatable, and the whole point of this thread. I assert that people DO care, or Glenn Beck and Bill Maher wouldn't be wasting airtime with it.

The questions in my mind are: how many people know the truth, how MUCH do they care, and what are they willing to do about it?

Show this to some of your friends and family and see what their reaction is:


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The problem is, if a surgeon screws up, the patient dies.
The surgeon looks bad.

A pilot has the added incentive of "if the passengers die, odds are they dogpiled on top of me during the crash sequence, and I'm dead too".

The public doesn't given a damn. Traveling by air used to be a luxury item. Now it's considered a public utility. We might as well be bus drivers.

So.. it's not quite the same.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
Medical Care, IE surgery, is (or should be) considered a public utility as well but surgeons are still compensated very well.
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Because they're their own bosses. For the most part, they're paid what they're worth... or they run their own office. They work out the money thing with the insurance company.

Now, you look at 'optional' procedures that insurance won't cover, and the concept becomes a matter of supply and demand. See those signs for cosmetic whatever on the highway? Exactly.
 
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