Thank You Glenn Beck!!!!

taseal said:
this is an interesting topic. I hope we can keep it within limits
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Then let me ruin it:)

It's a strange era in aviation now. We got FOs at my company who have been waiting to upgrade for like 5 years. They got thousands of turbine hours but no PIC. Does this make them less qualified to operate a 757? I don't think so. Remember when United was hiring women with 250 hours and a commercial multi. I didn't remember hearing planes falling out of the sky. Or military guys who get hired at the majors with only 1200 hours TT. It all depends on the individual.
 
Doug Taylor said:
A tshirt and a flight sticker! ;)

Nah, I think it all depends on the pilot.

I think I was sharper when I had fewer hours but had less confidence in my skills. However now I'm not as sharp but I have greater confidence in my skills.

Maybe it's just my imagination, I don't know. I don't even worry about it. Go to work , make the donuts, layover, eat, drink, fly back. Rinse, repeat.
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I agree. The more hours I get the more confidence I gain in my abilities, however I could probably not pass another CFI checkride at the moment. It's amazing how much information and complacency we lose in a very short amount of time.



@Soul, that is an amazing movie in your avatar. I can't for the life of me remember the name of it though.
 
A transcript of the segment, from CNN.com:

BECK: Tell me -- please tell me I`m wrong, that some pilots are now making $20,000 -- for regional, $20,000 a year?

GIMBEL: Starting salary at some of the regionals.

BECK: The guy flying my plane is making $20,000 a year?

GIMBEL: Look in the cockpit. They`re 21.

BECK: Don`t -- don`t -- no, please. Don`t ever open up the cabin door if he`s 20 years old, and he`s flying a plane making 20 grand, please.

GIMBEL: But the problem is, people want both things, right? You want -- you want low prices and you want this to survive in $100 a barrel oil. Something`s got to give.

BECK: Not the pilots.

GIMBEL: That`s what they would tell you.

BECK: You know, I`m kind of a stickler on parts, wings and pilots. You know what I mean? Stop with the cart. Stop with the -- I can even say, just get some guy who`s just a big sweaty guy with the cones coming in, going, "Buckle up or I take you out." I don`t even need the stewardess.

GIMBEL: Well, the lucky thing is, we kept a lot of the great pilots. Even though they`re making 20 percent less than they were making a couple of years ago, these guys -- I don`t know how they survive.

BECK: All right. Thank you very much, Barney.

We`ll be back in just a second.
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Doug Taylor said:
I think I was sharper when I had fewer hours but had less confidence in my skills. However now I'm not as sharp but I have greater confidence in my skills.

Maybe it's just my imagination, I don't know. I don't even worry about it. Go to work , make the donuts, layover, eat, drink, fly back. Rinse, repeat.
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:yeahthat:
 
wheelsup said:
One issue with your argument "you get what you pay for", while I completely agree, is what sort of hard facts do you equate to the public? Total time? Total PIC? Of course the mainline guys are more experienced. Does that mean they are safer? Yes probably but what facts do you have to back that up? Do they crash less? Do they kill less people?
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No, of course not. We kill so few people in this industry it's an inaccurate metric to measure safety.
 
taseal said:
no, then he woulda said 11 years :D
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Heeeeeeeey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Okay...that's fair. ;)



On a serious note, those "8 year FO's" are currently either in upgrade or awating upgrade class. By early Fall, they should all (hopefully) have upgraded.

THEN, the upgrade time falls SIGNIFICANTLY (because Eagle didn't hire again until 2004).

As of the last flow chart (on Monday), I was 376 from the lowest captain upgrade. That number had dropped by almost 30 in two days.

Change is in the air. :bandit:
 
good luck man. I have few friends waiting to go there. I hope you all the best with upgrades.

usually when you hear the words 'american eagle' its followed by '######' and 'upgrade' lol

all that aside, its a company i'd like to work for as well.

only if I fly a jet though :D :sarcasm:
 
taseal said:
good luck man. I have feFw friends waiting to go there. I hope you all the best with upgrades.

usually when you hear the words 'american eagle' its followed by '######' and 'upgrade' lol
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That's funny right there!! :yup::yup:

taseal said:
all that aside, its a company i'd like to work for as well.

only if I fly a jet though :D :sarcasm:
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Funny story: I was in training last week and the guy taking the sim after me was a new hire on the CRJ. I welcomed him to Eagle and the CRJ.

We got to talking about what airframes were available in his new hire class. He mentioned the that there were two DFW Saab slots.

I told him that he'll love the CRJ, but would have held a line much faster on the Saab.

His comment: "Yeah, two old guys in my class actually did that and I was thinking NO WAY! Jet vs. turboprop? I'll take the JET!" :rolleyes:

I SOOOOO wanted to say "enjoy reserve...For EVAR!!" ...but I just smiled and walked away instead. ;)
 
Glenn Beck is the kind of guy who will keep reporting stories till something is done about the issue at hand. Personally, I think that he is the only thing that makes CNN worth watching these days.
 
Look, it's just like offshoring jobs.

People talk a great game about how they don't like seeing good jobs go overseas to China but what do they do?

Why is Wal-Mart the number one retailer? Because they're cheap, and people don't have a problem selling out their fellow Americans to save a few pennies.

Do you think it'd be any different for aviation?

As long as Aunt Bessie can save $10 on her trip, she's not going to give a damn what the people working at the airline are being paid.
 
aloft said:
And they won't, until someone pays for a full page ad in the New York Times that says:

"The captain of the regional jet
you're flying in today
isn't even qualified to be a co-pilot
 on the 757 you flew in yesterday.

Still happy you saved $70 on your ticket?"

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You might want to pass that idea by a few senior Eagle Captains. Most of them have north of 20,000 hours, so I don't think they'd agree with your assessment.
 
There are exceptions to every rule, but they're just that--exceptions. And as you said, they are few.

Nice try, though. Really. :sarcasm:
 
PCL_128 said:
You might want to pass that idea by a few senior Eagle Captains. Most of them have north of 20,000 hours, so I don't think they'd agree with your assessment.
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Hell....a large number of them have north of 30,000 hours and a butt-load of type-ratings....all Part 121/Part 135.

Good catch, PCL!
 
They're not really that few, aloft. I'd say a majority of regional Captains have qualifications far exceeding those necessary to get a job flying right seat in a legacy 757. I had over 1000 TJPIC when I was about half way up the PCL Captain list, and that was a junior airline. Airlines like Eagle, Comair, ASA, Piedmont, etc... have incredibly experienced Captains. To generalize and say that regional Captains are less experienced than narrow body FOs at the legacies just isn't accurate.
 
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