Teterboro tips?

You will get nailed with a huge ramp fee at any of the FBO's there. You will pay a ~$40 landing fee the second your wheels touch the ground.

Basically piston singles are not wanted there.
 
Also look at HPN. Much easier in/out than Teterhole. Only about 5 or 10 more minutes into the city if that's what you're looking for. We had some passengers that used to go to TEB all the time. One time they had a 2-3 hour wheels up time to go there, they went to HPN instead. Never went back to TEB. If I never went back to TEB again, it would be too soon.

You can use fltplan.com to see what previous users have filed going into TEB and also what route ATC has cleared them over. Use that in your planning. Easy as cut n paste.
 
Um, people- they said they WANT a challenge. You may feel nervous about the idea, but they may not and they may be up for the challenge. I felt the same way when I got my private and flew a 172 in there. Parked it in between a Falcon 50 and a Citation 10 and the only problem I had was not looking like a noob just based on the fact that I was in a 172. There's absolutely nothing wrong with utilizing the National Airspace System. In fact, most of you naysayers are GA fans and REAL GA fans encourage it! :pirate:

FLY_BOY, everybody who's flown in there has had to do it for the first time, at least once...:confused:...yeah. Anyway, take a good look at the procedures for getting in and out of there. Take some notes on the highlights of stuff you know you'll need on the fly and have fun! Oh, and watch out for those controllers on cellphones, they're all over the road!
 
I fly out of CDW several times a week. There is really no reason to go into TEB unless you want to spend a fortune on fees and fuel. On top of that the IFR departure delays for a piston are going to be horrendous. I recommend going to CDW. It is not more than 10 miles away and the airspace, if unfamiliar, will be just as much of a challenge to you as TEB, less all the fees and redic fuel prices.

I would also have to disagree with the not filing of GPS direct out of the New York class B airports. I have been flying out of either MMU or CDW my entire flying career (a measly 3 years and 700hrs). I have found that no matter what you file, a preferred route, or the most logically chosen route you will 9.9 out of 10 times be given a completely different clearance. So in the interest of not getting your hopes up on particular routing or spending the time preparing it I have found it easiest to just file Direct and let the system dish out what it will. Just be ready to copy a full route clearance.

Also note that the TEB 6 DP looks harmless but just make sure the first time you are looking at it is not in the plane with the fans turning...

Good Luck.
 
File the preferred routes, be on your A game on the radio, and be familiar with the airport layout (keep a diagram handy) and you'll be fine.
 
zulu99 said:
There is really no reason to go into TEB unless you want to spend a fortune on fees and fuel.

Also note that the TEB 6 DP looks harmless but just make sure the first time you are looking at it is not in the plane with the fans turning...
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Both of these. Flying in and out of Teterboro is not a huge deal, just pay attention and do what they tell you, when they tell you.

It was 4 years ago when I went there on an Angel flight, and did they waive the ramp fee? Nope. $75 for a 172, thank you very much Port Authority. Discounted fuel for an Angel Flight? Nope. $6+ per gallon.

And on the way out fly the Teterboro 6 just like it says or prepare to get yelled at. If your clearance is climb and maintain 2000, expect FLxxx in 10, that does NOT mean 2000 before you hit that DME or radial. When I left there was a Falcon 900 behind me that made that mistake and got lit up. I was grateful for the attention to be off of me though :p
 
I dislike Teterhole... I would avoid it and NY TRACON if at all possible. Unless youre getting paid to fly in there, its just not that fun IMO
 
SIUav8er said:
I dislike Teterhole... I would avoid it and NY TRACON if at all possible.
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I disagree with that, I wouldn't avoid NYAPP\TRACON. They're really not bad as long as you know what's going on. If you go into their airspace just trying to wing it (no pun intended), than you're going to get chewed out fast, and then kicked off the freq, but if you go in knowing what you're doing you'll be fine. I wouldn't go to TEB unless you absolutely had to though, MMU, CDW are much more light GA friendly.
 
Aside from very expensive ramp/service/overnight fee's, outrageous fuel prices, and potential departure delays, Teterboro isn't any more challenging that any other busy airport IMO. Granted i've flown into the place 100's of times, but I don't think it's that bad. You will have no problem flying a piston single in there. Just expect to keep your speed up.

Have an AF/D with you, because there is a VFR DP that can only be found in the AF/D and not approach plates.

My advice...Get a New York terminal chart, and find the Alpine tower. Request a VFR departure under the bravo (I think it's 1,100 or 1,200) and fly direct to the Alpine tower. You will be handed off to approach, and you can either ask for a climb through the bravo, or just trek up north a little bit past the Tappen Zee bridge (northern most bridge) and out of the Bravo. Just be aware of the Restricted Airspace by West Point.

I'm telling ya', Teterboro really isn't bad, especially VFR. I say go for it.
 
Duck_Twacy said:
And on the way out fly the Teterboro 6 just like it says or prepare to get yelled at.
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I don't understand how so many people screw this up, and it's gotten so bad that Flight Safety has to do an online course on it. It's a freaking DP. No different than any others with DME and step ups.
 
Duck_Twacy said:
And on the way out fly the Teterboro 6 just like it says or prepare to get yelled at. If your clearance is climb and maintain 2000, expect FLxxx in 10, that does NOT mean 2000 before you hit that DME or radial. When I left there was a Falcon 900 behind me that made that mistake and got lit up.
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Just to clarify; you won't get a clearance to "climb and maintain 2,000, expect FLxxx ten minutes after departure." You'll get "...via the Teterboro Six departure (with the appropriate departure fix specified; WHITE, ELIOT, PARKE, etc), expect FLxxx ten minutes after departure." It's up to you to LOOK at the TEB6 departure plate and figure out what course and altitudes you are to fly depending on which runway you depart.

Not calling out you specifically, but I fail to see what's so damn difficult about the whole thing. Then again, I've been in sim houses and FBOs enough to get a pretty good idea as to the root of the problem.
 
I was never going to file GPS direct, I was just curious why you had said to no file it. We were going to try and get in and out of there VFR. Yes, my tail# is N8457H. I did research on the airport and knew that it was busy, but I didn't see that it was GA unfriendly and had a bunch of fees. With all the thunderstorms today, we were unable to make it to the TEB area anyway, but even if we had, we decided to go somewhere else based on your advice. We stopped in Allentown, PA and are headed back through the midwest and on to ALW early in the morning. Thanks for all of your comments. If any of you are interested, we have a blog going for this X-C as a part of a class requirement. Feel free to follow along... http://www.brittanderan.blogspot.com
 
MikeOH58 said:
I don't understand how so many people screw this up, and it's gotten so bad that Flight Safety has to do an online course on it. It's a freaking DP. No different than any others with DME and step ups.
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On paper, yes it's the same. In reality it is quite different. Most places are more forgiving of messy procedures. At TEB, you are in close proximity laterally to other major airports, you are within 1000' vertically of EWR traffic and leveling out under the floor of the class B. When you are departing in a plane that climbs 5000fpm (to 1500MSL) and hits 200 kts by the time the gear is in the wells, it doesn't take much of a lapse to cause a loss of separation. Not to mention there are generally 25+ other aircraft w/i your TCAS 5nm ring. Not to mention the VFR guys that aren't talking to anyone and doing airwork on the arrivals.

Kudos to the OP on decision making. Nothing wrong with high aspirations, but you have to know where to draw the line. Could have been educational if he filed GPS direct out of TEB about pm on a Friday. :rolleyes:

It is more than mixing it up with jets at a busy airport. For the jets following the pistons it is more aggravation to an aggravating airport. The notes on the Jaike are a big clue....Do not slow below 250 without ATC approval.
 
On a slightly related note, I've been given the TEB6 in weather that precludes basic VFR. Which is it? An IFR Departure, or a VFR "procedure"? Is it fish or fowl? I find it extremely disturbing that "special procedures" outside the normal rules of the FARs/AIM are instituted for reasons that are, for all practical purposes "because a lot of rich people want to fly out of the Teterhole or the AssPen." It's an open secret, for example, that most aircraft can't meet the single-engine climb gradients required out of the AssPen, but people blast off all the time 'cause some Patrician needs to get to his next meeting with Chinese moneylenders. And guess who will be blamed when there's another pricey bizjet decorating a mountaintop?
 
Boris Badenov said:
On a slightly related note, I've been given the TEB6 in weather that precludes basic VFR. Which is it? An IFR Departure, or a VFR "procedure"? Is it fish or fowl? I find it extremely disturbing that "special procedures" outside the normal rules of the FARs/AIM are instituted for reasons that are, for all practical purposes "because a lot of rich people want to fly out of the Teterhole or the AssPen." It's an open secret, for example, that most aircraft can't meet the single-engine climb gradients required out of the AssPen, but people blast off all the time 'cause some Patrician needs to get to his next meeting with Chinese moneylenders. And guess who will be blamed when there's another pricey bizjet decorating a mountaintop?
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The Dalton 19 is the only VFR procedure.
 
I flew a 182 IFR into TEB and left a week later IFR. A year later this came up on a job interview that I was bombing up till that point. I got the job after telling him about the flight. "If you can handle that &*^%hole then you can handle it here."
 
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