SWA Landing gear collapse at LGA

[Firebird2XC]

Pilots...

Southwest is an easy punching bag too. Even more so now since no one is really going to get hired there anytime soon.

You're likely right. Everybody wants a shot at the guy at the top. The SWA kids are not only well compensated, but generally seem happy to be doing what they're doing where they're at. I can't honestly say that other pilot groups are perceived as having positive outlooks like that.

 

[DPApilot]

You're likely right. Everybody wants a shot at the guy at the top. The SWA kids are not only well compensated, but generally seem happy to be doing what they're doing where they're at. I can't honestly say that other pilot groups are perceived as having positive outlooks like that.

...which is a great reason to hate them. I guess it makes people feel better about their crappy job?

Never understood why people can't just be happy for one another.

 

[motoboy]

Those videos are cray cray. It may be too early to tell, but many YouTube reporters point to the fact only half the amount of male genitalia normally found in a flight deck was present at the time of the landing.

Seriously though, wow. Glad everyone was unscathed and managed to evacuate themselves and their carry-ons.

Those youtubers may be correct...

 

[Area 5150]

Never understood why people can't just be happy for one another.

Because Louis Farrakhan said, "NAW!!!"

 

[PhilosopherPilot]

I guess unstable approaches are in fashion?
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/25/travel/southwest-laguardia/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

[mikecweb]

You're likely right. Everybody wants a shot at the guy at the top. The SWA kids are not only well compensated, but generally seem happy to be doing what they're doing where they're at. I can't honestly say that other pilot groups are perceived as having positive outlooks like that.

Exhibit A

I guess unstable approaches are in fashion?
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/25/travel/southwest-laguardia/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

You're basing that on what, a CNN article the day after?

 

[Cptnchia]

Just what is it with SWA and short runways though? Burbank, Midway, and now LGA.

Once is an anomaly. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is a trend.

 

[PhilosopherPilot]

You're basing that on what, a CNN article the day after?

I'm not drawing any conclusions about this accident. Maybe it was unstable, maybe it wasn't. But the Asiana crash was unstable for certain.

The industry average for unstable approaches is in the 6% range, nation-wide. Some individual airports are double that rate, plus a % or two.

 

[SurferLucas]

Just what is it with SWA and short runways though? Burbank, Midway, and now LGA.

Once is an anomaly. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is a trend.

Don't forget they ran off the runway at GEG back in the 2009 range (although it was 9000ft at the time, hardly short by any means).

 

[mikecweb]

I guess unstable approaches are in fashion?

I'm not drawing any conclusions about this accident. Maybe it was unstable, maybe it wasn't.

You're right. What was I thinking.

 

[PhilosopherPilot]

You're right. What was I thinking.

I'm glad you understand. Did I say, "They were most certainly unstable."

Negative.

 

[PhilosopherPilot]

That being said, since the investigators said the flaps were in motion 56 seconds prior to landing, then they certainly weren't configured early.

 

[SteveC]

NTSB Issues Investigative Update into Southwest Flight 345 Accident at LaGuardia Airport in New York

July 25, 2013
The National Transportation Safety Board today released factual information from the July 22 accident involving a Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-700 landing at New York’s LaGuardia Airport. The airplane’s front landing gear collapsed on landing.

• Evidence from video and other sources is consistent with the nose-gear making contact with the runway before the main landing gear.

• The flight data recorder on the airplane recorded 1,000 parameters and contained approximately 27 hours of recorded data, including the entire flight from Nashville to New York.

• The cockpit voice recorder contains a two-hour recording of excellent quality that captures the entire flight from Nashville to New York and the accident landing sequence.

• Flaps were set from 30 to 40 degrees about 56 seconds prior to touchdown.

• Altitude was about 32 feet, airspeed was about 134 knots, and pitch attitude was about 2 degrees nose-up approximately 4 seconds prior touchdown.

• At touchdown, the airspeed was approximately 133 knots and the aircraft was pitched down approximately 3 degrees.

• After touchdown, the aircraft came to a stop within approximately 19 seconds.

• A cockpit voice recorder group will convene tomorrow at NTSB laboratories in Washington to transcribe the relevant portion of the accident flight.

 

[SurferLucas]

Y'all that fly the 73, I have a question for you...is Flaps 40 a standard landing config? In all my times riding the JS on the 73 (various operators), it seems that 30 deg flaps is the SOP for the 737 (30-30-Green light).

Can't say I ever recall seeing a Flaps 40 landing in a 737.

 

[mikecweb]

Y'all that fly the 73, I have a question for you...is Flaps 40 a standard landing config? In all my times riding the JS on the 73 (various operators), it seems that 30 deg flaps is the SOP for the 737 (30-30-Green light).

Can't say I ever recall seeing a Flaps 40 landing in a 737.

I've seen it going into MDW

 

[JustinS]

Don't forget they ran off the runway at GEG back in the 2009 range (although it was 9000ft at the time, hardly short by any means).

They seem to gravitate towards unpaved surfaces. Don't forget the 737 sliding off the taxiway at ISP. Maybe it's a sign that Southwest should have C130s flying into grass strips as a new passenger model since the 737s always find a way towards the dirt. Cater to all the passengers from more rural parts of the country.

 

[Minuteman]

When the airplane touched down at 133 knots (about 153 miles per hour), “the aircraft was pitched down approximately 3 degrees,” the agency said. By contrast, four seconds before touch down and 32 feet above the runway, the nose was pitched up about 2 degrees, the NTSB reported.

So is the NTSB planning on outsourcing their investigations; just copy-pasting news stories for their report, or are they trying to remove all leverage for compelling good behavior from all invited participants in an investigation?

 

[RedBaron2000]

Just what is it with SWA and short runways though? Burbank, Midway, and now LGA.

Once is an anomaly. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is a trend.

Maybe they're wannabe bush pilots? SWA does tend to fly into the smaller airports to begin with. Even at my home airport (RDU), it's just SWA and AirTran at Terminal 1, which is closer to the 7500' 23L/5R. Every other airline is at the newer Terminal 2, facing the longer 10,000' runway. They probably would fly off grass if there was a turf strip. Just put some tundras on those 73's.

 

[SeanD]

So is the NTSB planning on outsourcing their investigations; just copy-pasting news stories for their report, or are they trying to remove all leverage for compelling good behavior from all invited participants in an investigation?

Due to sequester budget cuts they now release this info to be spread among aviation forums in order to judge based off of majority speculation. Someone should let them know they can create a JC poll

 

[crazyjaydawg]

Those videos are cray cray. It may be too early to tell, but many YouTube reporters point to the fact only half the amount of male genitalia normally found in a flight deck was present at the time of the landing.

Lance Armstrong and Phil Kessel are pilots now?