Jacob Wall
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Hello,
How easy is it to get SVFR in class echo?
How easy is it to get SVFR in class echo?
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ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Easy, why?
seeingstarz
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What's the situation? It can be handy at times.
eta- you'd hardly need svfr in Dallas...
eta- you'd hardly need svfr in Dallas...
esa17
Well-Known Member
Why? SVFR is a good club to have in your bag. SVFR is simple to get, all you have to do is ask.
Wastegate
Well-Known Member
"Sec. 91.157 - Special VFR weather minimums.
(a) Except as provided in appendix D, section 3, of this part, special VFR operations may be conducted under the weather minimums and requirements of this section, instead of those contained in §91.155, below 10,000 feet MSL within the airspace contained by the upward extension of the lateral boundaries of the controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport."
You have to be in airspace associated with an airport, i.e., B, C or D. One of the few times I attempted to pick up this clearance I was in Echo, on with an ARTCC and I was approaching Charlie Airspace. Center told me that I should make my request with Approach.
(a) Except as provided in appendix D, section 3, of this part, special VFR operations may be conducted under the weather minimums and requirements of this section, instead of those contained in §91.155, below 10,000 feet MSL within the airspace contained by the upward extension of the lateral boundaries of the controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport."
You have to be in airspace associated with an airport, i.e., B, C or D. One of the few times I attempted to pick up this clearance I was in Echo, on with an ARTCC and I was approaching Charlie Airspace. Center told me that I should make my request with Approach.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
Echo can be at the surface of an airport and it is controlled.
This is exactly my point. No offense, and I'm sure you are a great PRIVATE pilot. However, you don't know what you can and cannot handle right now. 1SM and CoC might sound easy enough, but have you ever seen what that looks like? Have you ever seen 5SM? What if you get delayed and now its night? What if your radio fails? What if you can't see the runway anymore at 250'?
This stuff kills people. Stay away until you get a little more experience under your belt.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
I agree. Better waiting for your instrument and just going IFR than messing around with this stuff. Jacob has a good head on his shoulders and is probably just asking for academic reasons, rather than planning on doing it.
USMCmech
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In the real world SVFR is for local pilots only.
If you ain't from around here (wherever here is) then stick to either IFR or wait for better weather.
I've been flying around Dallas for 4 years and know it very well. Still I only use it on very rare occasions where there wasn't a effective way to get where I need to go.
Same scenario for ppragman in Alaska or Cory with his floatplane in the swamp.
If you ain't from around here (wherever here is) then stick to either IFR or wait for better weather.
I've been flying around Dallas for 4 years and know it very well. Still I only use it on very rare occasions where there wasn't a effective way to get where I need to go.
Same scenario for ppragman in Alaska or Cory with his floatplane in the swamp.
Or, takeoff and roll the dice.
But don't be surprised when they come up snake eyes while you're up there.
My question would be, with the OPs limited experience (as described), what mission or flight you are undertaking is so important as to require departing SVFR that can't wait another day?
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
I think you miss the point. It isn't our job to tell him what he can and cannot go flying in. He has the private license, and he will be the one flying. Its not our responsibility to try to give him judgmental absolutes, he's got to learn that sort of thing on his own. A simple, "ehh, I don't think its a good idea, have you considered some of the ramifications of your experience level" is the way to go. Just because you personally wouldn't be comfortable with sending your newly minted private pilot graduate up, doesn't mean his instructor, or the man himself doesn't have the ability. A simple and obstructive, "no, don't," doesn't teach anything, doesn't convey any information, and doesn't explain why.
Do I personally think its a good idea for a newly minted private pilot to go out in Low SVFR? (ie Visibilities of around 1SM) Hell no. 1SM Vis is instrument flying, in my opinion. If its 900 overcast over the airport with clear blue skies beyond and 10 miles, what the hell is wrong with that? Its his license, his responsibility, and ultimately, his life that is in his hands. He has to make that sort of judgment for himself. And if he doesn't know, he should ask someone.
Also, strictly speaking, he couldn't go at night, so it wouldn't matter, he's not instrument rated. If he lost radio communication, someone would come looking for him because they couldn't clear the surface area for inbound IFR arrivals, or he wouldn't have reported clear. And finally, I have flown personally in 1mile, clear of clouds a lot. I did it essentially for a living in the winter months, and I've never, ever gotten to 250' and had the runway just magically disappear. I've seen the weather change fast, I've seen the weather change really really fast, but I've never seen it change so fast that its disappeared in the last 30 seconds of my arrival leaving me with no options, not even the option to turn around. Frankly, I think its kind of a non sequitor.
Which is again, why I said, "easy, why?" It all depends on the reasons for doing it.
R
Roger, Roger
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This is true. I used SVFR a few times getting in and out of the home 'drome when I was CFI-ing.
To address the OP's question, the trick is often finding out who to ask for your SVFR clearance... If you're looking to depart a Class D field with 2 SM visibility, it's easy...just tell ground on your initial callup what you want to do.
Now, if you're entering a Class E surface area in the middle of nowhere and all you've got is a sectional chart, finding the center frequency to use to get your SVFR might be a bit of a challenge.
Ok guy. I'm not looking to argue here. This is why i try not to post on here much. I took a quick glance at the thread and gave a quick answer. I know he cant go at night, my point was if he plans on being there in the day, and now its night due to diverting/volcano/apocalypse. what does he do? As far as 250', thanks for the heads up. I know when I pop out of the clouds I NEVER go back in(sarcasm) whether its 250' or 2500' it doesnt matter. What does he do if he can no longer see the airfield? He better know the area VERY well.....better than a 50 hour pilot can most likely. Maybe this guy doesnt even know what he is trying to do is potentially dangerous. I guess next time I throw a quick post out there I'll be sure to write a bibliography so I can properly "teach and convey infromation".
Thanks for jumping down my throat, I'll go back to lurking and not posting.
peace
No need to lurk, there's good input from everyone.
As I said, my wonder would be why he'd want to take the risk he wants to. What's the mission thats so important?
The problem for the low timer like that is not knowing what he doesn't know. As the saying goes "The novice pilot's enemy is inexperience, and the experienced pilot's enemy is complacency". Sometimes, that complacency can set in due to the inexperience.
X-Forces
Big Black Guy
:yeahthat:
Simple,
Because if you are posting questions about how to get it, it means you are somewhere on the ground (Unless you have killer WiFi) and are contemplating getting yourself into a situation where you might need it.
As Mike and a few others have pointed out already at this stage of the game, a newly minted PPL that is, I would think staying on the ground would be the better option.
A sand wedge is a good club to have in your bag too, but you never look forward to using it!
esa17
Well-Known Member
Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. How many pilots do you know that won't stall an airplane because someone told them it was dangerous? I see this question as "how difficult is it" and no where do I see "should I?" Maybe by asking the question he's removing a fear an instructor placed in him.
SVFR can kill you but so can severe clear. If the OP is expanding his knowledge base and trying to become a well rounded aviator then good on him. If he's in a situation where he "needs to go" and get an SVFR after being an ink wet private he should probably go get more coffee.
Jumping all over the kid for asking a question is bad joo-joo.