SUS Aero Commander Accident

NovemberEcho said:
I like most of the Mountain guys that fly into EWR. The ones who know will do whatever you ask of them and always have preceding traffic in sight. The new guys will acknowledge keeping it fast on final then slow to 90kts 8 miles out. The good ones do 160 to the fence.
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I’m sure I talked to you plenty back in the day. Flew 7303/7305 BWI-EWR and 8311/8313 EWR-BWI/IAD respectively all the time before I transitioned to the ATR in 2019 (left MAC in 2023).

165 to the threshold or GTFO.

Was always fun doing the daytime runs to IAD & BWI, being number 17 in line for 22R and getting rocked by jet blast everywhere.
 
Apophis said:
I’m sure I talked to you plenty back in the day. Flew 7303/7305 BWI-EWR and 8311/8313 EWR-BWI/IAD respectively all the time before I transitioned to the ATR in 2019 (left MAC in 2023).

165 to the threshold or GTFO.

Was always fun doing the daytime runs to IAD & BWI, being number 17 in line for 22R and getting rocked by jet blast everywhere.
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Oh yeah we definitely talked a lot. I still remember my first midnight shift and I was unaware Mountain also flew ATR’s and didn’t realize it til a HOLY • moment cause it was a wee bit faster than the caravan I was assuming it was lol
 
NovemberEcho said:
Oh yeah we definitely talked a lot. I still remember my first midnight shift and I was unaware Mountain also flew ATR’s and didn’t realize it til a HOLY • moment cause it was a wee bit faster than the caravan I was assuming it was lol
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I remember when I was a new, ignorant lad going into EWR for maybe the 3rd time late in the evening in 2015. Was the first time I ever did the stadium visual to 29…..winds were absolutely insane out of the west, maybe gusting to 40…..

Something about a cemetery??? cross the railway bridge at 500???

What cemetery??? It’s pitch black down there. Railway bridge? There’s like 10 • bridges 🤣
 
Boris Badenov said:
I always wondered what happened to all of those 210s. Ludicrously high-time, but also surprisingly well-maintained, and a fair number of them were 550 conversions and had TKS. If one had the (significant) money to gut-rehab one of the nicer ones, they'd probably have gotten themselves a deal.

Probably just flying drugs in South America or beer cans now, though.
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In thinking about this post: I believe you could get a Bellanca Super Viking, get freshly built wings (for $40k or less) and have a nicer airplane than a 210. Bellancas are really nice flying airplanes. I like the "Cardboard Connie" personally, but they all kick ass.
 
Roger Roger said:
I don’t do much maintenance or GA stuff anymore but I seem to remember the 210s have been hit pretty hard by some wing ADs (like pretty much all of these aging GA aircraft) recently-ish. So I imagine those latter options are most likely.
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A bunch of 210’s, especially those in non-commercial operation, hit the quintuple whammy - engine TBO, turbo TBO, normal annual, AD inspections, and the pricey spar repair.

Many owners refused to write checks and their planes sat. A few years of inactivity sealed the fate of many.

We made out better than most as our engine and turbo were mid-time and the plane had nice cosmetics, nice leather, and a fresh G1000 install.

My dad commuted from Easton to College
Park using his 210 for a couple of years.

I kinda liked the somewhat heavy feel of the 210.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
A bunch of 210’s, especially those in non-commercial operation, hit the quintuple whammy - engine TBO, turbo TBO, normal annual, AD inspections, and the pricey spar repair.

Many owners refused to write checks and their planes sat. A few years of inactivity sealed the fate of many.

We made out better than most as our engine and turbo were mid-time and the plane had nice cosmetics, nice leather, and a fresh G1000 install.

My dad commuted from Easton to College
Park using his 210 for a couple of years.

I kinda liked the somewhat heavy feel of the 210.
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I'd be interested in hearing from the mechanic types but the AD on various metal airplanes and such - it seems the knock on Bellancas, old wood wing Mooneys and such is the wood wing/how were they stored question. Given my aeronautical preferences I would contend that wood is indeed the superior wing material and ultimately more economically sane.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
A bunch of 210’s, especially those in non-commercial operation, hit the quintuple whammy - engine TBO, turbo TBO, normal annual, AD inspections, and the pricey spar repair.

Many owners refused to write checks and their planes sat. A few years of inactivity sealed the fate of many.

We made out better than most as our engine and turbo were mid-time and the plane had nice cosmetics, nice leather, and a fresh G1000 install.

My dad commuted from Easton to College
Park using his 210 for a couple of years.

I kinda liked the somewhat heavy feel of the 210.
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I have a lot of loyalty for the Cherokee 6, but I gotta admit the 200 Cessnas handle better. And you wouldn’t think so but much easier to get a greaser even with spring steel vs oleos. Kind of a pain in the ass to work on compared to the 6 though.
 
Roger Roger said:
I have a lot of loyalty for the Cherokee 6, but I gotta admit the 200 Cessnas handle better. And you wouldn’t think so but much easier to get a greaser even with spring steel vs oleos. Kind of a pain in the ass to work on compared to the 6 though.
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Everything Piper is better except that nice heavy feel of a 210. 210’s are the hot thick girls of light SEL’s.

My dad loved topping off the tanks for that thick feel.
 
I owned a P210R for a little over a year and it was a great plane. Fun to fly and fast, 210-220 KTAS was very doable up in the high teens. Cessna really nailed it with that model imo, too bad the market imploded right after they released it to the wild.
 
milleR said:
I owned a P210R for a little over a year and it was a great plane. Fun to fly and fast, 210-220 KTAS was very doable up in the high teens. Cessna really nailed it with that model imo, too bad the market imploded right after they released it to the wild.
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Hi Richard L Collinz
 
210s are fan-tans-tic airplanes, but these days, bring your checkbook. Gear saddles, spar carry through, few shops that are really dialed into that breed. You're essentially dealing with a warbird at this point.

The R models were the shiz. Cessna finally got the breed dialed in, but there are so few Rs that many STCs don't apply to them.

Markets in a bad spot right now.
 
Apophis said:
I’m sure I talked to you plenty back in the day. Flew 7303/7305 BWI-EWR and 8311/8313 EWR-BWI/IAD respectively all the time before I transitioned to the ATR in 2019 (left MAC in 2023).

165 to the threshold or GTFO.

Was always fun doing the daytime runs to IAD & BWI, being number 17 in line for 22R and getting rocked by jet blast everywhere.
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I remember the days of playing chess in the ops area, until they kicked us out of there. I probably have as many landings in EWR as anywhere else. It only smelled good when it was 260(?)* and the brewery.
 
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