Student Stall Crash Video

Murdoughnut

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Guy coming in after him was really committed to landing apparently.

(Video on the site - can't find a stand alone YT video yet)

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Teen Pilot Survives Fiery NJ Plane Crash

An 18-year-old student pilot safely escaped after the small aircraft veered off a runway and burst into flames while landing at Old Bridge Airport.
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Murdoughnut said:
Guy coming in after him was really committed to landing apparently.

(Video on the site - can't find a stand alone YT video yet)

www.firehouse.com

Teen Pilot Survives Fiery NJ Plane Crash

An 18-year-old student pilot safely escaped after the small aircraft veered off a runway and burst into flames while landing at Old Bridge Airport.
www.firehouse.com www.firehouse.com
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supposedly it was his CFI behind him. Student was on his second solo.

YT link to skip the 30 second ad:

 
It appears that RV12 put its wheels on the ground with ~950 ft of pavement remaining.

By my figuring, to touchdown at 55 knots and make the turnoff at 15 knots they had to have an immediate average deceleration of ~0.65 g. A normal landing will peak briefly to 0.3g-0.4g and decay quickly to ~0.2-0.25g until slow. Lateral g's rarely exceed 0.15g during a brisk taxi.

So there were certainly skidmarks involved somewhere.

Edit1: no, its a less-severe deceleration, stupid web-based calculator.

Edit2: Hard to tell from the video, but it appears the Cessna was tromping on the right-rudder, so good for that. :)
 
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Date:21-NOV-2021
Time:16:34
Type:
Silhouette image of generic C172 model; specific model in this crash may look slightly different

Cessna 172N Skyhawk II
Owner/operator:N8074E LLC opf Old Bridge Flight School LLC
Registration:N8074E
MSN:17272130
Fatalities:Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 1
Other fatalities:0
Aircraft damage:Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Category:Accident
Location:Old Bridge Airport (3N6), Englishtown, NJ -
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United States of America
Phase:Landing
Nature:Training
Departure airport:Old Bridge Airport (3N6), NJ
Destination airport:Old Bridge Airport (3N6), NJ
Investigating agency: NTSB
Narrative:
A Cessna 172N Skyhawk II was destroyed by fire subsequent to an attempted go-around and stall. The aircraft crashed to runway terrain during the landing attempt at Old Bridge Airport (3N6), Englishtown, New Jersey.
The student pilot onboard was on his first solo flight, as instructor looked on, and received minor injuries.
 
Minuteman said:
It appears that RV12 put its wheels on the ground with ~950 ft of pavement remaining.

By my figuring, to touchdown at 55 knots and make the turnoff at 15 knots they had to have an immediate average deceleration of ~0.65 g. A normal landing will peak briefly to 0.3g-0.4g and decay quickly to ~0.2-0.25g until slow. Lateral g's rarely exceed 0.15g during a brisk taxi.

So there were certainly skidmarks involved somewhere.

Edit1: no, its a less-severe deceleration, stupid web-based calculator.

Edit2: Hard to tell from the video, but it appears the Cessna was tromping on the right-rudder, so good for that. :)
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I was told there would be no math
 
Wow, who, or what, was taking the video...looks pretty sophisticated.

Edit: NM. Seems to be a homebrew system the locals put together. Pretty neat, though.
 
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I watched the video, I wonder if the student had the airplane trimmed for a short field landing and just shoved the throttle forward and froze. I can vividly recall my first touch and go with out resetting the trim. I remember kind of fighting the yoke to get the right attitude until I trimmed it nose down (I think my instructor was trying to drill something into my head). When I did solo it was a suprise to not have that weight on board, but he'd already done a good job of teaching me so I didn't crash. Danny, I know you're out there somewhere, Thanks.
 
Focused more on the following response, I would note it was initially good if somewhat ineffective.

The pilot self-evacuated and was fortunate to be able to do so. Building fire extinguishers are ineffective (and so shown) in this situation. I assume 911 was initially called but the only thing that will extinguish that fire will be engines with sufficient water and/or foam. The pilot survived because he was not entrapped, whatever good intentions those at the airport may have had.
 
knot4u said:
I watched the video, I wonder if the student had the airplane trimmed for a short field landing and just shoved the throttle forward and froze. I can vividly recall my first touch and go with out resetting the trim. I remember kind of fighting the yoke to get the right attitude until I trimmed it nose down (I think my instructor was trying to drill something into my head). When I did solo it was a suprise to not have that weight on board, but he'd already done a good job of teaching me so I didn't crash. Danny, I know you're out there somewhere, Thanks.
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Can’t remember if it was on the pts or not, but the curriculum we had for cfi had us learn and demonstrate elevator trim stalls. It’s for exactly what you described and the few private students I had I made sure to have them do a few. I was also a big stickler for telling my students to trim. Hell, I’d say a solid 50% of good stick and rudder skills is knowing how to trim and to trim OFTEN.
 
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