Student Stall Crash Video

[Maximilian_Jenius]

Can’t remember if it was on the pts or not, but the curriculum we had for cfi had us learn and demonstrate elevator trim stalls. It’s for exactly what you described and the few private students I had I made sure to have them do a few. I was also a big stickler for telling my students to trim. Hell, I’d say a solid 50% of good stick and rudder skills is knowing how to trim and to trim OFTEN.

I got my PPL in 2001, don't remember any training on elevator trim stalls. Must have been something taught afterwards.

 

[poser765]

I got my PPL in 2001, don't remember any training on elevator trim stalls. Must have been something taught afterwards.

It definitely wasn’t something in out syllabus for pvt students. Just initial cfi.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

It definitely wasn’t something in out syllabus for pvt students. Just initial cfi.

I don't even really mess with trim on landing. I've usually already inputted my trim and with my speed set and full flaps and only playing with power on the decent. In a balked landing as was shown, I smoothly input power, nose up and retract one notch of flaps. I could be wrong, but it also looked like the student pilot had a rather high AOA, possibly also leading to getting slow and also the associated stall.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

I don't even really mess with trim on landing. I've usually already inputted my trim and with my speed set and full flaps and only playing with power on the decent. In a balked landing as was shown, I smoothly input power, nose up and retract one notch of flaps. I could be wrong, but it also looked like the student pilot had a rather high AOA, possibly also leading to getting slow and also the associated stall.

One of my pet peeves on the CRJ, hearing the stab trim (running) horn during the flare. Like, seriously man?

 

[CFI A&P]

This is why tailwheel aircraft are superior, as go-around training is required by 61.31(i)(1)(iii).

 

[fholbert]

This is why tailwheel aircraft are superior, as go-around training is required by 61.31(i)(1)(iii).

I wish I understood that?

 

[ZapBrannigan]

One of my pet peeves on the CRJ, hearing the stab trim (running) horn during the flare. Like, seriously man?

You'll want to never fly a 737 if noise/motion bothers you when the stab is in motion. ;-)

 

[CFI A&P]

I wish I understood that?

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-61

It is somewhat of a sarcastic comment aimed at the nosewheel versus tailwheel debate. Go-arounds are specifically required by the endorsement for tailwheel training, 14 CFR 61.31(i)

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

You'll want to never fly a 737 if noise/motion bothers you when the stab is in motion. ;-)

He does.

 

[ahw01]

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-61

It is somewhat of a sarcastic comment aimed at the nosewheel versus tailwheel debate. Go-arounds are specifically required by the endorsement for tailwheel training, 14 CFR 61.31(i)

armpit throttle FTW

 

[killbilly]

This is why tailwheel aircraft are superior, as go-around training is required by 61.31(i)(1)(iii).

Also required, specifically, by 61.107(b)(iv)

 

[poser765]

I don't even really mess with trim on landing. I've usually already inputted my trim and with my speed set and full flaps and only playing with power on the decent. In a balked landing as was shown, I smoothly input power, nose up and retract one notch of flaps. I could be wrong, but it also looked like the student pilot had a rather high AOA, possibly also leading to getting slow and also the associated stall.

That's pretty much the way I do it as well, and even hard rules have exceptions. 2 or 300 feet and I'm pretty much done with trim at that point.

 

[fholbert]

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-61

It is somewhat of a sarcastic comment aimed at the nosewheel versus tailwheel debate. Go-arounds are specifically required by the endorsement for tailwheel training, 14 CFR 61.31(i)

Never got a sign-off, I was grandfathered.

Also grandfathered on Comm ME, High Performance and one or two more.

 

[fholbert]

I don't even really mess with trim on landing. I've usually already inputted my trim and with my speed set and full flaps and only playing with power on the decent. In a balked landing as was shown, I smoothly input power, nose up and retract one notch of flaps. I could be wrong, but it also looked like the student pilot had a rather high AOA, possibly also leading to getting slow and also the associated stall.

That’s not possible with most aircraft.

My Super Viking requires 16 full turns on the trim.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

That’s not possible with many aircraft.

Just speaking from my experience. I've only flown single engine tricycle geared planes. The likes of 172' and DA40's.

 

[NovemberEcho]

Just speaking from my experience. I've only flown single engine tricycle geared planes. The likes of 172' and DA40's.

didnt you just get your MEL? And the Super Viking is a single engine tricycle gear plane

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

didnt you just get your MEL? And the Super Viking is a single engine tricycle gear plane

I did, yes, as you saw on the face pages. But what I was trying to say is that my experiences flying single engines, is only in DA40's and 172's, thus that is my landing technique. In response to @fholbert saying that what I'd said wasn't possible in many aircraft. I guess that maybe I could have said it better. Hopefully I have with this explanation.

 

[NovemberEcho]

But what I was trying to say is that my experiences flying single engines, is only in DA40's and 172's,

Ah, it didn’t read that way.

 

[ahw01]

elevator trim stalls in the CFI syllabus I seem to remember, but not necessarily the PTS/ACS.

 

[killbilly]

Just speaking from my experience. I've only flown single engine tricycle geared planes. The likes of 172' and DA40's.

If you ever fly a 182 or any other big-bore piston single, you're going to find out with catlike quickness that nose up trim on landing matters. A lot.