strike yourself out of a job

Doug Taylor said:
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...or what his cousin Fred's uncle's barber said about how organized labor is holding us back from a moon colony, free beer and crazy circus monkeys throwing out $100 bills like confetti.

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:D
 
notawannabee said:
while your at it, strike so all the other people who rely on Delta to provide a living for their family cannot do so anymore. Unions are for people who cannot think for themselves or are incapable of making a statement for change. Unions are for people with a sense of entitlement no matter the condition of the industry they chose as their profession. get another job. That's what other people have to do when their company or industry goes under. Unions are for the weak. If you want change then just do it yourself. I'm sick and tired of people who have an inflated sense of entitlement.
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Okay...I'll bite. But, first I must say I'm dissappointed with your delivery...a successful, mature, professional should deliver a good measure of self-control...a trait characteristic of strong mental, moral and emotional conditioning. When your emotions break down...which can be tempting in times like these...your jugdment, common sense and decision making ability will suffer. All things a pro pilot should monitor when assessing their fitness to make sound decisions.

Now...back to your post. The pilots love their job and their airline and are willing to do what it takes to make the corp. successful. I think if you study the financials behind the proposals...you'll find that to be the truth.

Contract negotiations are tough, complicated, comprehensive and must blend two separate objectives into a workable solution. Successful negotiations should produce such a solution...and frequently do. It's how collective bargaining agreements work. The latest NFL CBA is a good recent example of how the process works.

If you don't stand up for yourself, however, you may not be successful in recovering some of your objectives.

To make a post like you did...I think demonstrates a lack of understanding of the CBA process.
 
notawannabee said:
experiences :
worked in the oil industry making an outstanding living...it went under..I went into another field. I had to adjust. There is no comparison in the money I lost compared to what most of the pilots are losing. I lost ALOT. But hey..life goes on. I didn't picket outside. Believe me, I want delta pilots to make the money they deserve.
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Doesn't mean jack here, let me save you the time.

Seriously, pull up a chair, grab a soda and do a lot more listening.

(and both B767Driver and I went thru a strike together at another carrier. Many of the benefits that make you want to plunk down $80,000 to get that spiffy new job were hardfought by others... in unions...)
 
Champcar said:
SteveC said:
What place?

When?

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At the end of the month, finally....HA nice try. Not telling you were I'm going.
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Naw, I wanted to know where you were leaving, not where you were going.
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BTW, I don't think you have to worry about me trying to steal your job. :cool:
 
Are you my brother???
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Sounds like your Father was/is a wise man, too!:):)

Doug Taylor said:
Doesn't mean jack here, let me save you the time.

Seriously, pull up a chair, grab a soda and do a lot more listening.
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You mean we can't have oilindustrycareers.com??
 
The current position of this airline was not a result of what the pilots or unions have done, Pilots have done nothing but work hard day in and day out with an outstanding safety record, but was as a result of poor management who does nothing but seek outrageous paycuts from the employees that truely make the company run. Management brought this upon themselves and its time that they be held accountable.
 
Doug Taylor said:
(BTW, sorry for misreading your earlier post, my bad! I'll send you a JC pen or something! ;))

But...

That's why I created jetcareers.com. It's an interface between those with experience and those that want to learn.

Every day I probably tell the same story over and over again in email or answer the same question on the forums, and have diligently done so for almost the past decade.

When a user with misconceptions about unions within the airlines opines, I could start with the story about how I thought long and hard before joining the union at Skyway because of misconceptions about the industry. She's really busy, but you can ask Kristie about the long chats we had about joining the union. But then after my first week online, I learned more about organized labor in the airline business than all of the USAToday factoids, political blowhards and fluff-pieces written by management could ever 'teach me'.

So, a lot of us are trying to save you guys time and heartache which many of us learned the hard way.

I do get testy when someone, yet again, challenges me with a bunch of sound bites from cable news or what his cousin Fred's uncle's barber said about how organized labor is holding us back from a moon colony, free beer and crazy circus monkeys throwing out $100 bills like confetti.

On some issues, it'd really behoove a lot of the industry newbies/prospectives to considering who is saying what rather than a self-proclaimed right to challenge say, B767Driver about the flying qualities of a 757/767.

I politely asked where "notawannabe" had the experience or background to make such a broad generalization about organized labor in the airline business, which wasn't answered. But, of course, he has a "right" to an opinion, just as those with experience and knowledge have a professional "obligation" to set him straight.

Yes, the website is a airline pilot soapbox. But there's a few more 'diodes' on the newbie/prospective circuit.
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Thanks. It is an interface, and that's why I like to use it. I am familiar with union history, but not with respect to the airline industry. That's why I said their may be a place for it. ( and I'm not saying that to win " brownie points" with anyone ) Today is a hot day for the topic.....sounded like I gave a couple of people the chance to vent...I'm here to learn and contribute.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Sounds like your Father was/is a wise man, too!:):)
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Yep. "Is" is correct. O/T, but he's a Marine as well.



Funny how sometimes it takes age to appreciate experience, eh??? :)
 
That was actually a post to Champcar.

But while we're on the topic, our only perception of you is through your words and, for example, if you walk into a 747-400 initial ground school and scream, "This thing sucks, it flies like crap!", expect to be challenged as to what your experience is.

If you say, "Well, I drove trucks and diesels are almost as big so I should know".. Erm, no.

Like I said, pull up a chair, grab a soda (or beer if you're over 21) and learn.
 
notawannabee said:
while your at it, strike so all the other people who rely on Delta to provide a living for their family cannot do so anymore. Unions are for people who cannot think for themselves or are incapable of making a statement for change. Unions are for people with a sense of entitlement no matter the condition of the industry they chose as their profession. get another job. That's what other people have to do when their company or industry goes under. Unions are for the weak. If you want change then just do it yourself. I'm sick and tired of people who have an inflated sense of entitlement.
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Wow, your post came on a little strong and I can why people jumped at you...

I would not say that Unions are for the weak, in fact, it takes strength to form a Union & keep it going.....

But, yes, if Delta were to strike, it lead to the company becoming insolvent & jobs could be lost.
 
SteveC said:
Yep. "Is" is correct. O/T, but he's a Marine as well.



Funny how sometimes it takes age to appreciate experience, eh??? :)
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Ahhh, A Leatherneck. Semper Fi to him!!

Yeah, at least once a week I say to myself, "Man, I guess he was right after all!"
 
yea, it came on strong...at least I deleted the word " communism" before I posted. I'll admit, the post could have been worded better, but hey.....I'm entitled to a bad post now and again
 
Doug Taylor said:
(BTW, sorry for misreading your earlier post, my bad! I'll send you a JC pen or something! ;))

But...

That's why I created jetcareers.com. It's an interface between those with experience and those that want to learn.

Every day I probably tell the same story over and over again in email or answer the same question on the forums, and have diligently done so for almost the past decade.

When a user with misconceptions about unions within the airlines opines, I could start with the story about how I thought long and hard before joining the union at Skyway because of misconceptions about the industry. She's really busy, but you can ask Kristie about the long chats we had about joining the union. But then after my first week online, I learned more about organized labor in the airline business than all of the USAToday factoids, political blowhards and fluff-pieces written by management could ever 'teach me'.

So, a lot of us are trying to save you guys time and heartache which many of us learned the hard way.

I do get testy when someone, yet again, challenges me with a bunch of sound bites from cable news or what his cousin Fred's uncle's barber said about how organized labor is holding us back from a moon colony, free beer and crazy circus monkeys throwing out $100 bills like confetti.

On some issues, it'd really behoove a lot of the industry newbies/prospectives to considering who is saying what rather than a self-proclaimed right to challenge say, B767Driver about the flying qualities of a 757/767.

I politely asked where "notawannabe" had the experience or background to make such a broad generalization about organized labor in the airline business, which wasn't answered. But, of course, he has a "right" to an opinion, just as those with experience and knowledge have a professional "obligation" to set him straight.

Yes, the website is a airline pilot soapbox. But there's a few more 'diodes' on the newbie/prospective circuit.
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I have heard and been taugh so much about pilot unions, ops, pilots , ALPA to fill my brain twice over. I understand and I agree through what I have been taught. But i can understand peoples negitivity to unions through there actions in other industries.

I love this site and didnt mean or want to piss you off doug or anyone else for that matter, I have to much respect for pilots to do that.

I guess I should have explained what i was trying to say more and not have been so general. But thats hard for me to do because im not that sophisticated, I cant spell, and have terrible (if any) english skills.
 
I'm not sure. I didn't really read this thread and I've had a few beers, so anything could happen here...
 
notawannabee said:
I personally do not care to be a part of a union. I believe in the individual. What happens when you are not in the majority when it comes to an issue ?
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Well, good luck to you then! that's really all I can say

notawannabee said:
I do have a problem with closed minded people who ignores the debate / issue and simply walks away.
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are you debating? seems that you stated your opinion quite clear in a general statement type of tone. again, good luck to you. your gonna need it.
 
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