strike yourself out of a job

notawannabee said:
thank you. it's an opinion. that's it. beyond that, I thought it would stimulate a debate tht may be educational. brainwashing....that's when you are not open to others ideas and.......mrivc211...you are a prime example of that
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ahh now your debating... actually, i'd like to know a couple of things... without unions, how would you go about making sure you (as an individual) have a equitable, fair scope? pay, per diem, commuting, bid scheduling, overtime, retirement, benefits etc etc...I take it you'd do the negotiating on your own on a yearly basis like most performance reviews and then expect to get a really good raise? (something to note: those without unions typically get a cost of living raise, not too much more now a days)

cuz if your debating, you must have some reasoning for not wanting to be part of a union and with that, i'd like to hear your solution to non-unionized pilot labor and scope clauses....:nana2:

obviously you must have a solution to the perfect job stability without using a union. I wish i had a union for my job!! i get taken advantage of on a daily basis.
 
If a job ain't worth keeping because management shafts you so hard that you bleed in your urine, then I say shut the mofo down.
 
notawannabee said:
thank you for wishing me well. however, I don't see how you would know that I need good luck.
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Probably has something to do with this statement:

.....Unions are for people who cannot think for themselves or are incapable of making a statement for change. Unions are for people with a sense of entitlement no matter the condition of the industry they chose as their profession. get another job. That's what other people have to do when their company or industry goes under. Unions are for the weak. If you want change then just do it yourself. I'm sick and tired of people who have an inflated sense of entitlement.
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cuz if your debating, you must have some reasoning for not wanting to be part of a union and with that, i'd like to hear your solution to non-unionized pilot labor and scope clauses....:nana2:


If I had the solution...Bill Gates would be my neighbor
 
Kristie said:
i'd like to hear your solution to non-unionized pilot labor and scope clauses....:nana2:
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If the business treated the employees properly and provided proper pay and per diem then a Union wouldn't be needed. Since that isn't happening, is why the Union IS needed. I am in Engineering, and for our type (Controls/Robotics) their isn't usually a Union for Engineers. If you don't like the company, you move on. I have three times in my career.

Kristie said:
obviously you must have a solution to the perfect job stability without using a union. I wish i had a union for my job!! i get taken advantage of on a daily basis.
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OOPS, an Engineer looking for a Union. Krisie, I thought you liked your job. Have you started looking?
 
why did the pilots hold a " practice strike " ? Was this a scare tactic. Was it to warn management of how serious the pilots are ?

legitimate questions...not trying to $%^7$ anyone off
 
Just in my first job, I learned how management can be a burden. After working at my previous job for almost a year, even after a perfect review, I only got a $.25 raise. The thing though is that people that started working there close to when I quit, were making about $.10 less. That is outright BS when I've been with the company for such a long time and yet I'm not making that much more. I tried speaking to the owners of the company and they told me if I didn't like it I could move on. So I took my ball and went home. If we had a union, even at a chain of retail stores, things would probably be better off for the workers who were always getting walked over by the •ing management.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
OOPS, an Engineer looking for a Union. Krisie, I thought you liked your job. Have you started looking?
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Nope, but we're starting to lose some long term peeps again...the stability in the job is just not what it used to be anymore.. the only reason i stay is cuz of the flexibility but even that is wanning now and i'm getting more and more flack for wanting to take even a day off...but that's off topic! haha

Notawannabe, I know that if you had the solution to non-unionized pilot labor, you'd be a rich man...however, that's not really what i'm asking (i must have stated myself incorrectly). what i'm asking is if/when you get up to where all the other airline pilots are currently how are you going to verifiably protect yourself without a union? I figured if you had a "plan" of sorts, then that would explain why you destest unions so much (as your tone seems to state).
 
BTW, without a union, I would have gotten fired for running Jetcareers two months ago when some of my users were bring Delta Connection Academy to task.

Anyone remember?
 
BCTAv8r said:
.....After working at my previous job for almost a year, .....That is outright BS when I've been with the company for such a long time .....
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:D :D

A long time????? Brian, You have so much to learn.........:sarcasm:
 
Doug Taylor said:
BTW, without a union, I would have gotten fired for running Jetcareers two months ago when some of my users were bring Delta Connection Academy to task.
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Man, didn't you read before? If you'd have gotten fired, the best thing to do is to move on!!

Geez . . . :sarcasm:
 
notawannabee said:
cuz if your debating, you must have some reasoning for not wanting to be part of a union and with that, i'd like to hear your solution to non-unionized pilot labor and scope clauses....:nana2:


If I had the solution...Bill Gates would be my neighbor
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Skywest found the solution, although there has been grumbling around their camp fire about ALPA coming on property.
 
Doug Taylor said:
BTW, without a union, I would have gotten fired for running Jetcareers two months ago when some of my users were bring Delta Connection Academy to task.

Anyone remember?
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Certainly do.
 
Kristie said:
Nope, but we're starting to lose some long term peeps again...the stability in the job is just not what it used to be anymore.. the only reason i stay is cuz of the flexibility but even that is wanning now and i'm getting more and more flack for wanting to take even a day off...but that's off topic! haha

Notawannabe, I know that if you had the solution to non-unionized pilot labor, you'd be a rich man...however, that's not really what i'm asking (i must have stated myself incorrectly). what i'm asking is if/when you get up to where all the other airline pilots are currently how are you going to verifiably protect yourself without a union? I figured if you had a "plan" of sorts, then that would explain why you destest unions so much (as your tone seems to state).
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I wouldn't say I detest them, and like I said, there is probably a place for them. As for my plan...I'm trying to stay out of the majors / regionals and do corporate....what I'd really like to do is own my own air service....small of course..maybe some island hopping. live in a grass hut and eat coconuts.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Man, didn't you read before? If you'd have gotten fired, the best thing to do is to move on!!

Geez . . . :sarcasm:
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Oh hell, do you think I could have afforded two independent labor attorneys on my own? :)

Well, one I covered, but the other one was provided by my union.
 
John Herreshoff said:
I'm not sure. I didn't really read this thread and I've had a few beers, so anything could happen here...
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I'm with you, man. However, I am intrigued by the monkeys throwing out $100 bills like confetti. If its IS true that Unions are holding us back from these amazing monkeys, we have an American crisis on our hands and I will take action.
 
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