strike yourself out of a job

notawannabee said:
thank you. it's an opinion. that's it. beyond that, I thought it would stimulate a debate tht may be educational. brainwashing....that's when you are not open to others ideas and.......mrivc211...you are a prime example of that
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So.....being open to other ideas means that you can't have an opinion of your own???
 
So you've just told a regional captain that he's brainwashed.

I personally know him, know what he's thinking and experienced what he went thru in order for him to form his opinions.

What are your experiences? Besides the 'right' to have an opinion about things you have no first hand knowledge of, what gives your opinion any gravitas?

Where are you, "notawannabe", coming from? What life experiences have you had that helped form your views?

Enquiring minds and all that...
 
And without unions there is no way an employee could stand up to a company to try to change something, without getting fired. It is good that we have unions that people can unite and influence change more effectively.
 
You have to understand that we're not all in the industry, we're not all airline pilots. So Educate and knock off the personal attacks.

Think about all the airline pilot perceptions, the public views this as the PILOTS could bring this airline down and put a lot of people out of work. So step outside of your flying box for just a minute, step back in, and educate please.
 
Unions aren't important just for aviation, so you don't need to be a pilot to understand how important they are.

It is funny though the majority of the people saying unions are necessary, are professional pilots, while the ones against union probably never needed an union in the first place.
 
Champcar said:
So Educate and knok off the personal attacks.
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Does anybody else see the humor in this sentence?:)

Think about all the airline pilot perceptions, the public views this as the PILOTS could bring this airline down and put a lot of people out of work. So step outside of you flying box for just a minute, step back in and educate.
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Why step out of the flying box? This forum is for pilots - not the traveling public.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Does anybody else see the humor in this sentence?:)



Why step out of the flying box? This forum is for pilots - not the traveling public.
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Hey i fixed it. This forum is also for people that want to be pilots and are not there yet.
 
Champcar said:
Hey i fixed it. This forum is also for people that want to be pilots and are not there yet.
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They probably need to ask questions, and not argue with people that know best.

Like my Father used to tell me (usually following a back-hand in the mouth): "Boy, quit while you're behind, shut up and learn something!"
 
SteveC said:
What place?

When?

:D
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At the end of the month, finally....HA nice try. Not telling you were I'm going.

I love how there is only one more view that reply on this thread.
 
Doug Taylor said:
So you've just told a regional captain that he's brainwashed.

I personally know him, know what he's thinking and experienced what he went thru in order for him to form his opinions.

What are your experiences? Besides the 'right' to have an opinion about things you have no first hand knowledge of, what gives your opinion any gravitas?

Where are you, "notawannabe", coming from? What life experiences have you had that helped form your views?

Enquiring minds and all that...
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regional captain or astronaut...I would say the same thing.

experiences :
worked in the oil industry making an outstanding living...it went under..I went into another field. I had to adjust. There is no comparison in the money I lost compared to what most of the pilots are losing. I lost ALOT. But hey..life goes on. I didn't picket outside. Believe me, I want delta pilots to make the money they deserve.
 
Champcar said:
You have to understand that we're not all in the industry, we're not all airline pilots. So Educate and knock off the personal attacks.

Think about all the airline pilot perceptions, the public views this as the PILOTS could bring this airline down and put a lot of people out of work. So step outside of your flying box for just a minute, step back in, and educate please.
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Yo champcar, (telling you straight without being rude) thank you for posting that sentence. Thats exactly the problem. All the public knows is what the airline puts out there for them to read. Is there any form of communication between pilots and the public? Not really is there. Think about that. Now knowing the airline directly controls what gets put out there, what perception are you going to have of pilots?

That we're all money hungry, lazy, womanizing bastards? OK maybe womanizaing.......just kidding.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
They probably need to ask questions, and not argue with people that know best.
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I'd use the word "better" instead of "best". :D

Like my Father used to tell me (usually following a back-hand in the mouth): "Boy, quit while you're behind, shut up and learn something!"
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Are you my brother???

:bandit:
 
mtsu_av8er said:
They probably need to ask questions, and not argue with people that know best.

Like my Father used to tell me (usually following a back-hand in the mouth): "Boy, quit while you're behind, shut up and learn something!"
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I recall a plaque that used to sit on my grandfathers fireplace. This isn't exactly a pilot related quote, but it should be easily translated:

Us Old People,
Know More About Being Young,
Than You Young People,
Know About Being Old.
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adreamer said:
Wow. Champcar, relax a little. I think you are brain-washed yourself. :sarcasm:.
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No, i just fight too long for no reason sometimes. Personal attacks just drive me nuts for some reason. I just wish people would calm down and bring something good to the table.

Although notawannabe opened up a big can at the wrong time.
 
(BTW, sorry for misreading your earlier post, my bad! I'll send you a JC pen or something! ;))

But...

That's why I created jetcareers.com. It's an interface between those with experience and those that want to learn.

Every day I probably tell the same story over and over again in email or answer the same question on the forums, and have diligently done so for almost the past decade.

When a user with misconceptions about unions within the airlines opines, I could start with the story about how I thought long and hard before joining the union at Skyway because of misconceptions about the industry. She's really busy, but you can ask Kristie about the long chats we had about joining the union. But then after my first week online, I learned more about organized labor in the airline business than all of the USAToday factoids, political blowhards and fluff-pieces written by management could ever 'teach me'.

So, a lot of us are trying to save you guys time and heartache which many of us learned the hard way.

I do get testy when someone, yet again, challenges me with a bunch of sound bites from cable news or what his cousin Fred's uncle's barber said about how organized labor is holding us back from a moon colony, free beer and crazy circus monkeys throwing out $100 bills like confetti.

On some issues, it'd really behoove a lot of the industry newbies/prospectives to considering who is saying what rather than a self-proclaimed right to challenge say, B767Driver about the flying qualities of a 757/767.

I politely asked where "notawannabe" had the experience or background to make such a broad generalization about organized labor in the airline business, which wasn't answered. But, of course, he has a "right" to an opinion, just as those with experience and knowledge have a professional "obligation" to set him straight.

Yes, the website is a airline pilot soapbox. But there's a few more 'diodes' on the newbie/prospective circuit.
 
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