Spirit MEC shenanigans

Lucky for all involved my expertise and experience doesn't contribute or detract. But the expertise and experience of those who are going to be directly involved will:

Same ALPA national team
Same negotiators
Same strategy
More receptive MEC officers

But I really should have asked you first. Sorry about that.
 
sherpa said:
For the 50th time that is not why they were recalled.
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Yup, even though you said several times that it was good enough for you. The fact that communication now is without content or inspiration proves that there wasn't much happening. Complaints were highly overrated.

The new LEC didn't like the fact that the previous LEC worked with the MEC to appoint the NC. The new LEC wanted the MEC to let them dictate a new NC. They would not so 2/3 orchestrated an overthrow of the MEC to the surprise of the 1/3. One of the 2/3 is the chair and still part of the 2/3.

I love reading rants from new hires that the 2-5 year FO's were sold out. Little do those uninformed loudmouths know that the strike was called at ~4 am on 6/12/2010 due to an impasse over Junior FO pay. The NC could have called it a day, no one would have struck, we would not have lost our health insurance, been threatened with no pay and more. But they struck for the FO's.

Have at it. The behavior displayed is identical to the behavior that the deposed are accused of displaying.
 
HRDiva said:
Yup, even though you said several times that it was good enough for you. The fact that communication now is without content or inspiration proves that there wasn't much happening. Complaints were highly overrated.

The new LEC didn't like the fact that the previous LEC worked with the MEC to appoint the NC. The new LEC wanted the MEC to let them dictate a new NC. They would not so 2/3 orchestrated an overthrow of the MEC to the surprise of the 1/3. One of the 2/3 is the chair and still part of the 2/3.

I love reading rants from new hires that the 2-5 year FO's were sold out. Little do those uninformed loudmouths know that the strike was called at ~4 am on 6/12/2010 due to an impasse over Junior FO pay. The NC could have called it a day, no one would have struck, we would not have lost our health insurance, been threatened with no pay and more. But they struck for the FO's.

Have at it. The behavior displayed is identical to the behavior that the deposed are accused of displaying.
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Sounds more like a speculation than a factual account.
Where are you getting this?
 
Interesting considering it was specifically stated that there would be NO CHANGES to the NC or the strategy.

Now if any member quits on their own accord that is a different thing than them being removed.

Sounds like the speculation of a conspiracy theorist. But I tell you what, don't take my word for it, why don't you ask on the all pilot call directly in front of the entire pilot group.
 
Not all of it as most LEC reps have no clue about historical facts.

The no change to the NC came out after the outrage from the rank and file.
 
HRDiva said:
Not all of it as most LEC reps have no clue about historical facts.

The no change to the NC came out after the outrage from the rank and file.
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Sorry I was referring to the bit about why the recall happened.

I believe the other part about the reason for the strike. I have heard that before
 
Well there is a large contingent of those hired post 2010 who don't know and believe that they were sold out. Since you are so interested in the truth, spread the word.
 
I speak at length with veery pre strike pilot I fly with about how it all went down, how they got home, how they prepared etc. I mean we're all pilots in it together and the entire industry applauded when the strike happened.

But where did that account of why the MEC officers were recalled come from?
 
Derg said:
Something I learned over the years is to treat your rep like a family doctor. Touch base every once in a while, especially when nothing is on fire, figuratively. Then you don't have to worry about the "call your rep" because, chances are, he already knows how you feel about an issue and he knows that if you start an exchange, you're not the type that's going to start talking about chemtrails, gold and the Bildebergs at the tiniest brush with stress.

Luckily I've only given @Richman one "Crap, I've soiled myself" texts so far. Maybe two.
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WWMD?

What would Mickley do?
 
From an ALPA Urgent Read or whatever they call it there.

To my fellow Spirit pilots:


We are all aware how chaotic the past 72 hours have been for Spirit pilots. Those of us flying the line right now and dealing with the operational difficulties are seeing firsthand the dire situation our airline is in operationally. In fact, it is so dire that Spirit management has asked your MEC for emergency assistance.


From the reports we have had from line pilots and from the conference call that we had with management on Wednesday, it is clear we are in an unprecedented operational meltdown. As of Wednesday night, we have canceled over 100 flights—a third of our scheduled flights for the day. At one point yesterday, the operation as a whole was in danger of shutting down completely. This current level of delays and cancellations is unsustainable and, if left to continue, will be unrecoverable. My fellow pilots, make no mistake—if that happens, there will not be a sustainable future here at Spirit.


During our conference call, Spirit management, specifically COO John Bendoraitis, asked for non-binding, non-precedent-setting, temporary relief from specific sections of our CBA. I will speak for myself and the MEC when I say that our contract is set and agreed to by both the company and the pilots—both are bound to it. But, given the circumstances, your MEC was tasked with both leading our pilot group and preventing a disruption that would jeopardize all of our futures. It was not an easy decision to make. We have agreed to work with management to help recover from the operational meltdown we are currently in and have agreed to grant CBA relief—with conditions—to the company for the next five days.


I’ll detail the specific sections of the CBA that the company will not be in compliance with during this time frame. If you do not feel comfortable with granting the company relief for your scheduled flying because of a safety concern or because it would exceed your personal limits for safe operation and cause you to call off fatigued, you do not have to accept the flying.


The company has stated that in no case will a pilot be penalized or disciplined for calling off fatigued for flying that is beyond contractual limits.


The company has requested the following relief from the CBA until they can recover to normal operations, but the relief period will not exceed five days, ending no later than 11:59 p.m. on June 22.


The ability to exceed the present CBA constraints in regard to duty regulations; effectively employing FAR 117 rules in lieu of CBA Section 12 and 25 requirements. This relief includes, but is not limited to, the ability to:


·reassign pilots in case of the original trip canceling

·extend present assignments within reasonable limits

·assign trips or flights out of order, on availability and suitability basis

·displace and deadhead pilots for the purpose of repositioning them for revenue flights

·require two check-ins in one day


If a pilot refuses an assignment for fatigue in either of the above-bulleted cases, there shall be no discipline or negative notations made, nor shall said situation appear in any documentation.


An individual pilot may file a grievance concerning any CBA infraction even though the pilot may have agreed to fly the assignment in the first place. We have reserved all rights to grieve and to pursue remedies to assure that all pilots impacted by any of the above contractual infractions during this emergency time frame are made whole.


This was not an easy decision to make, not for me, or any other member of your MEC. The company has approached us in a great time of need, and asked us for a gesture of good faith—one that would be gratefully accepted, and not easily forgotten nor ignored in the near future. Whatever disputes we may have with management, we simply cannot allow the operation to shut down if it can be preserved. As your leaders, we could not in good conscience ignore the very serious operational issue or the company’s call for help. Just because the hole isn’t on our side of the boat doesn’t mean we shouldn’t help plug it. After all, we’re all in the same boat.


It’s easy to lead in good times, but the difficult times present challenges. However, given the consequences for our careers and the well-being of the people who depend on us, we needed to respond to this situation in a constructive and positive way.


I’m still in captain-upgrade training, but after my SIM Thursday morning, I’ll be headed over to Miramar to help man the phones in OCC to assist pilots. Hopefully, if I do talk to you, the hold times won’t be too bad.


Follow the FARs and the SOPs. Above all else, fly safe.
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