Spirit MEC shenanigans

Eagle421flyer said:
Here's the deal I don't want too much info from the negotiating committee, here's why, if they give out details then you and your me generation, 2 year upgrade buddies who love the comapny will run to management and give them the details of what we are trying to do. Btw I'm not a "pre-striker" I'm just a guy who's older, been furloughed and stuck as an fo for years, I completely agree with @lostplane the whole pilot group is screwed bc of a bunch of "kids" who can't play nice in the sandbox. I think what you and your younger buddies are lacking is perspective.
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The guy acting as interim MEC chairman is no youngster. Neither am I. But thanks for the condescension.

It's not a matter of communicating any specifics with us the line guys. They weren't communicating anything at all with the LEC reps. Huge difference
 
Hey lost, call a 77 rep. I'm not at liberty to share publically info that I have. They will. If you call them and they refuse to answer your questions then I will concede that they have no credibility. Deal?
 
sherpa said:
The guy acting as interim MEC chairman is no youngster. Neither am I. But thanks for the condescension.

It's not a matter of communicating any specifics with us the line guys. They weren't communicating anything at all with the LEC reps. Huge difference
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The interim MEC has scheduled the MEC meeting at his convenience so pilots have to jump through hoops to attend all in the name of transparency. He doesn't know how ALPA works and puts out a communication that confirms it.

Did it ever occur to anyone (as women accuse men of being poor communicators) that, in the early stages, there wasn't anything to communicate and they didn't think that saying they didn't have anything to say was necessary? Again, why weren't there rules and a resolution?

Because it was really a power grab.

My question is did the new MEC chair push this or was he recruited as the new chair after the overthrow?
 
I am not a union spokes person. No way do I want to even take on that role.

Did I say you were lost? Did the 77 reps speak with you?
 
I give up as you are evading as is typical with your small group.

I answered your question but the only response is a refusal to respond.

And yes, you can't even remember all the way back to post # 128. It's worthless spending time on this with you.

Sleep well knowing what you have helped occur.
 
sherpa said:
And what would you know specifically about anyone turning anyone else in to management? Who was turned in? To whom? What happened to said individual who was "turned in"?
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From this................

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There had been a number of rumors about one of the status representatives recording phone conversations with the members he talked to. In addition there was another rumor that Ackerman had turned pilots over to Spirit HR and the Chief Pilot’s Office, for disciplinary action, regarding disagreements those pilots had with the newly elected status representatives of Council 77 and/or 109 which were recorded. Here is a portion of Ackerman’s email: “I am deeply troubled to learn that at least two-me included-of our status reps have been intimidated and threatened by pilots on issues from everything including recall of officers, social media, and the council 109 resolution. This is illegal, immoral and this nonsense stops right now. I have reached out to Spirit HR, the chief pilot’s office and ALPA Legal. This behavior is unconscionable.” He also writes ”Pilots that want to engage in a smear campaign-threaten-intimidate–and other illegal actions put themselves at serious risk for their jobs and livelihood.” He further writes “I’m doing my part and willing to address anyone or anything that stands in my way of doing the very best thing-short and long term- for the Spirit Pilot”.

When Ackerman and Leonard were asked directly what were the treats, they both responded with something along the line of I don’t remember.
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Having shown you that, we turn to the open session of the MEC meeting, which included questions from the pilots attending: Jason Leonard was asked if he recorded phone calls from Spirit Pilots his response was yes. He was then asked if those recordings were shared with anyone else, his response was no. He was then asked if he still had the phone recordings and his answer was no, he had deleted them. He was then asked if he remembered a phone conversation with a specific member and he answered yes. It is unconscionable that an elected status rep would secretly record phone conversations with other members, this not only unconscionable but illegal in the state of Florida. Would you like to be represented at a Disciplinary Meeting with the Company by this guy???

Now we turn to the questions directed to James Ackerman: He was asked if he had recently turned in member/s into the Chief Pilot’s office, he responded yes. Everyone in my immediate vicinity gasp in disbelief. This man just admitted he turned one, or more, of our members into Spirit Management which could “put themselves at serious risk for their jobs and livelihood.”
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That is false. You can ask your close friend to call him directly for clarification. Either he lied to me or this rumor is an out and out fabrication. No one was turned in. He did admit to speaking with company reps in regards to possible recourse if any hypothetical threats against him or his family actually were carried through. No names. Period. No one was "turned in".
 
Eagle421flyer said:
Recording phone calls
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Oh, snap!

sherpa said:
It's not a matter of communicating any specifics with us the line guys. They weren't communicating anything at all with the LEC reps. Huge difference
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If I was an Officer dealing with a Status Rep who was recording phone calls and turning pilots into management, I would completely cut him off, also. In fact, I have completely cut off Status Reps from negotiating information. We had two Status Reps, who had signed confidentiality agreements, leaking confidential negotiating information in the middle of late stage Section 6 negotiations. Me and the other Officers instituted a complete lock-down on all communications and wouldn't tell them anything about what was happening at the table. The NMB was furious that information was leaking. That decision was part of what lead to me being recalled, and I'm proud of it.

sherpa said:
Either he lied to me
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Gee, ya think? :rolleyes:
 
sherpa said:
The guy acting as interim MEC chairman is no youngster. Neither am I. But thanks for the condescension.
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Youngster is a relative term, but if you are older than just change my analogy from kids who can't play nice in a sandbox to adults who cant. I would hope if you were older you would have more life experience and see how badly this is going to divide the pilot group and at such a critical time.
 
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