Spirit MEC shenanigans

There's a long list but the one that concerns me, and in my opinion warrants a recall, is the flat out refusal to keep the LEC reps in the loop about negotiating strategy as well as what was happening at the neg table.
 
sherpa said:
There's a long list but the one that concerns me, and in my opinion warrants a recall, is the flat out refusal to keep the LEC reps in the loop about negotiating strategy as well as what was happening at the neg table.
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How do you know that was happening? Did the reps who DIDN'T vote for recall feel the same way? Why wasn't a resolution passed directing the MEC to brief the LEC as to the strategy at X intervals?

I agree that IF the MEC told the LEC reps to pound sand when asked for updates, then that is an issue. However, since no line pilot (and I hate that term by the way) would actually know to what extent the LEC was being kept in the loop, it also seems like a really good cover for other reasons to replace the leadership. The biggest flag for me is that there was absolutely no talk about recall until the meeting it took place at. Generally, if the issue revolves around communication shortfalls (which by the way sure as hell wouldn't have moved past the LEC even if they were being briefed, so don't think you would have been given any additional data) there are threats made that IF things don't improve THEN recalls will happen. But to go from zero to 60 in one meeting over an item like comm is pretty unusual unless there are other issues at play.
 
You'll have to talk to the reps for the" proof". I did see some emails with details to a pretty long list of problems. There was a point where there was pretty much unanimous agreement that a change of leadership needed to take place. One rep just wanted to wait out the term (March 2016). They threatened the MEC officers of a possible recall at which point there was some movement in the right direction to the satisfaction of the two reps who ultimately voted against but not enough to satisfy the others.

I won't give any more details than that. If you want more you can probably get it outta the reps themselves.
 
sherpa said:
There's a long list but the one that concerns me, and in my opinion warrants a recall, is the flat out refusal to keep the LEC reps in the loop about negotiating strategy as well as what was happening at the neg table.
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That doesn't warrant a recall.

I don't work there but from a very close friend who does, it sounds like it was a complete ambush in that one meeting.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I'm reading this on Forum Runner, so I see a CK post for the first time in a while, and it's actually reasonable! Bravo! Maybe there's hope for you yet.
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Ha! I'll show you my yes vote once the window opens up.

But I agree with you on this subject. The sad/worst part is no one can give a reason. Some say it's a lack of communication. Others that they weren't disclosing what the NC was being told.

Now if it's true that these recalled guys were from the strike era, then that is sad. It's because of their work the 2010 contract came out - arguably in one of the toughest economic times when everyone else was in BKcy contracts.
 
lostplanetairman said:
That's interesting because two reps didn't know anything about the recall until they showed up at the MEC meeting. So if you have email, share in transparency. Otherwise we don't believe that this was anything other than a planned power grab at the expense of the entire pilot group.
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I won't be showing the email or mention any names dates places. I am sure you can contact the 77 reps privately and get the full details if you are truly interested in getting that side of the story.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
That doesn't warrant a recall.
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How does the MEC officers operating completely independently of the LEC in regards to something as crucial as contract negotiations not cause for grave concern to the point of recall? This was in concert with several other issues I might add.

What exactly constitutes grounds for a recall in your opinion?
 
BobDDuck said:
Generally, if the issue revolves around communication shortfalls (which by the way sure as hell wouldn't have moved past the LEC even if they were being briefed, so don't think you would have been given any additional data) there are threats made that IF things don't improve THEN recalls will happen. But to go from zero to 60 in one meeting over an item like comm is pretty unusual unless there are other issues at play.
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There were threats of recall before. There were several other issues. Comms were not the reason for recall.
 
Here's the deal I don't want too much info from the negotiating committee, here's why, if they give out details then you and your me generation, 2 year upgrade buddies who love the comapny will run to management and give them the details of what we are trying to do. Btw I'm not a "pre-striker" I'm just a guy who's older, been furloughed and stuck as an fo for years, I completely agree with @lostplane the whole pilot group is screwed bc of a bunch of "kids" who can't play nice in the sandbox. I think what you and your younger buddies are lacking is perspective.
 
sherpa said:
How does the MEC officers operating completely independently of the LEC in regards to something as crucial as contract negotiations not cause for grave concern to the point of recall? This was in concert with several other issues I might add.

What exactly constitutes grounds for a recall in your opinion?
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What I read was that a list of 6 things to be done by the LEC was sent to the MEC officers, and it wasn't acted upon. While I'm sure they have their reasons, you can't just recall because someone isn't accepting and acting on micromanagement.


I'd say turning a fellow pilot into management (instead of pro standards) for supposedly "threatening" you is grounds for recall.

I'd say recording phone calls, even one way, without letting the pilot you're suppose to be representing know is grounds for recall.

Yet these two both ambushed the MEC officers at a meeting and the rest is history.
 
Where were the threats of a recall voiced? On APC? Where? Why wasn't a resolution passed? Why did they choose to show up at the MEC meeting and ambush the two LEC reps and the MEC? So far the entire process is cloaked in secrecy and that doesn't sit well with me or any of the new hires with whom I fly. Your idea of a pre/post strike divide is flawed.
 
lostplanetairman said:
Where were the threats of a recall voiced? On APC? Where? Why wasn't a resolution passed? Why did they choose to show up at the MEC meeting and ambush the two LEC reps and the MEC? So far the entire process is cloaked in secrecy and that doesn't sit well with me or any of the new hires with whom I fly. Your idea of a pre/post strike divide is flawed.
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I am assuming the threats of a recall were voiced to those they were threatening to recall?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
What I read was that a list of 6 things to be done by the LEC was sent to the MEC officers, and it wasn't acted upon. While I'm sure they have their reasons, you can't just recall because someone isn't accepting and acting on micromanagement.


I'd say turning a fellow pilot into management (instead of pro standards) for supposedly "threatening" you is grounds for recall.

I'd say recording phone calls, even one way, without letting the pilot you're suppose to be representing know is grounds for recall.

Yet these two both ambushed the MEC officers at a meeting and the rest is history.
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And what would you know specifically about anyone turning anyone else in to management? Who was turned in? To whom? What happened to said individual who was "turned in"?
 
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