Spirit MEC shenanigans

sherpa said:
I guess I'm uninformed. That is the only possible reason for my position in the matter. Our leadership was top notch. Jeezus. Really? I feel like you're taking this way too personally.
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You can't even express a rational reason for why they should have been removed, and you wonder why someone would suggest that you're uninformed or unreasonable?
 
HRDiva said:
No, but if someone is allegedly 29 and a 2012 hire, I suspect they do lack perspective. From the posts of the angry 1%, I know that to be true.

The MEC message wasn't very inspiring and showed a lack of knowledge of the process.

And the fact that the MEC meeting is scheduled in VA really encourages transparency. Where's the sarcasm icon?!
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Where would you recommend they hold it for ultimate transparency?
 
ATN_Pilot said:
You can't even express a rational reason for why they should have been removed, and you wonder why someone would suggest that you're uninformed or unreasonable?
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Complete lack of communication is not a good reason? For the first 1.5 years I worked here I didn't hear anything from our MEC. I literally felt like we didn't have any leadership whatsoever.

Have a look at that 60 dollar an hour spread between the jr and senior ca on our pay scale. "You don't negotiate a contract for those not on property". Well, we're here now. Goodbye.
 
Perhaps where Spirit pilots are based. Pick a base, any base rather than a city to which the airline doesn't fly.

This may be the wish of those with whom you speak but the fact that the real goal, removal of the NC, wasn't accomplished was due to the majority speaking up and expressing outrage.

This makes us very sad.
 
sherpa said:
Complete lack of communication is not a good reason?
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For a recall? Absolutely not. Hell no! For a resolution to be brought to a Local Council meeting? Sure. Bring your resolution demanding more communication.

Have a look at that 60 dollar an hour spread between the jr and senior ca on our pay scale.
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Welcome to the reality of working for a non-legacy major airline. It takes decades of pattern bargaining to fix that problem.
 
I think it will take the next TA being voted down by those now here who were not here in 2010 if it is that slanted. Those guys are all about those guys. The current pays ale speaks loud and clear. Louder and clearer than any ra ra unity rhetoric they might put out after the fact
 
HRDiva said:
Perhaps where Spirit pilots are based. Pick a base, any base rather than a city to which the airline doesn't fly.

This may be the wish of those with whom you speak but the fact that the real goal, removal of the NC, wasn't accomplished was due to the majority speaking up and expressing outrage.

This makes us very sad.
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Why do you think that was the goal? Last I checked the NC worked at the behest of the MEC. Which is the elected LEC group unless you have officers that look at you as a bunch of mere "amateurs"
 
sherpa said:
I think it will take the next TA being voted down by those now here who were not here in 2010 if it is that slanted.
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Congratulations! If your new MEC heroes think the way you do, you'll be getting a new contract in about 7 years (and it'll be precisely the same one you could have gotten in 2). Enjoy the current one until then.
 
sherpa said:
Recording union calls? As in calls from pilots? I believe he recorded tsome calls In order to keep track of the things he needed to follow up on in these calls that he would take while driving.
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Yes....That *may* be illegal.
 
Because your fellow 1% folks posted it all over the place in anger when it was announced that the NC would remain.
 
HRDiva said:
No, but if someone is allegedly 29 and a 2012 hire, I suspect they do lack perspective. From the posts of the angry 1%, I know that to be true.

The MEC message wasn't very inspiring and showed a lack of knowledge of the process.

And the fact that the MEC meeting is scheduled in VA really encourages transparency. Where's the sarcasm icon?!
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Correct age. Both of us were hired the exact same date at our respective companies. He's a year younger than I.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Not my business because I don't work there, but what's the point of a recall for the entire MEC when you leave the NC in tact?
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Happened at over here as well. We recalled and replaced 3/4ths of the MEC 5 months prior to contract openers. We are a single council system though, so the MEC Leadership is made up of 3 of the 4 Status (block) reps. That means that the membership directly votes on election (and recall) of each status block AND of each leadership position.

The NC survived the purge because a) there hadn't been a huge amount of direction given by the prior MEC yet so they weren't deemed "tainted" and b) the recall happened for different reasons for different people and didn't develop the mandate that some people (the ones that wanted to see the NC replaced for their own personal gain) thought it would.

I'd say that in the case of Spirit, the more recent hires (who are part of the "now now now/me me me" generation) were totally fleeced by a small group of senior guys who had something very specific they wanted to achieve by replacing the leadership and the NC. I'd imagine after the dust settled, the newer guys who wanted (and maybe rightly so) the level of communication they were used to at their previous properties, realized they got fleeced and the mandate that was there evaporated.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Not my business because I don't work there, but what's the point of a recall for the entire MEC when you leave the NC in tact?
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The Nc works at the behest of the mec. If the mec officers have a tight relationship with the nc and operates practically independent of the LEC directives.... That would be a reason.
 
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